hyominheart

oh come on everybody. your reason love t-ara is hwayoung? not all members? dont kidding me. hwayoung left and now you hate t-ara? so funny guys.
keep support for t-ara and hwayoung .

agree with u..if only hwayoung didnt tweet like that..and her twin sister too..it must be some act to gain sympathy..

No matter what KKS, T-ara, or Hwayoung, herself, will say about the bullying or lack of it, people and antis will probably never believe it. Seems like it's easier for people to believe that others can be so cruel rather than be nice.
I've been following T-ara for almost 2 years now. It's hard for me to think they were bullying Hwayoung after seeing all the interactions between Hwayoung and T-ara members. "Maybe" Eunjung, Jiyeon, Hyomin can fake their emotions since they know how to act. But I can't see Hwayoung faking her smiles whenever she's with T-ara. No one even thought about bullying until those tweets.
I don't trust KKS, and probably never will. But I do or maybe want to trust T-ara. I probably look naive/gullible to all. *shrugs* But what can I say...I'm a fan. A confused/stressed out fan....
Sigh, it's sad to see Hwayoung leave like this. She's one of my favorites, after Hyomin. I'll continue to follow her and T-ara.
After all that's said and done, being a Queen's is stressful, heh. Makes working look like I'm on vacation. sigh...

gotta agree on you with not believing in everything someone says. totally, today's fans are just too extreme. they start spreading bad news just like they knew everything.
we need to see this in 2 point of view, whether it's from hwayoung view, or the other members (in this case, + the CCM management) because this xxxx happens too for 2PM and there's always the most vague truth available out there. WE WILL NOT KNOW who is the right one.
let's just support both.

For me the only one to blame here is KKS and the netizens too.
KKS, for first of all adding new members to the group disrupting their harmony second of all for not managing t-ara pr better i mean mostly all their pr just sucks. lastly for not really clarifying things for us.
The netizens for blowing this things out of proportions. I mean these would just fly right out of the window and everyone's mind if they just didn't stop bashing t-ara.
And lastly for hwayoung, this actually became bigger when she and her sister and rapping coach replied to the tweet of the other member but i think though that they already felt that hwayoung will be gone so they made this to make her more victimized than ever.
anyways i don't condone what t-ara did but i think there's a reason why they did it since for me i don't think they would be stupid enough to risjk their image just for this.

u totally right!eventhough i also have bias member..but still..i support t-ara as whole..person who calling themselves fans of t-ara but now dont..totally dumb!

I will still love t-ara no matter what. A true fan will always support them no matter wad. Hwayong all the best

No one fully knows what happened yet -Hwayoung and the members of T-ara really grew close in the past months; whatever it was that happened, there most definitely is a reason for it. We just don't get to hear it.
Regardless, I have been a huge T-ara fan since the day of their debut and will remain a fan to the end -as for everyone who are saying "good bye" to being a T-ara "fan", looks like you were only supporters of Hwayoung, no matter what way you put it as. True T-ara fans would stand strong with the group and stay with them until the end -I honestly do not believe any member of T-ara could be a bully.
Need someone to blame/vent your anger out on? Go take it up with Kim Kwang Soo. He's the one making the decisions.

We all need to look at the bigger picture here. T-ara is still alive.

This is really a sad news. And I know that T-ara members are sad too about what happened. I knew in me that no bullying happened. It's just everything is so ambiguous for everyone to interpret. And now netizens went too far, they went this way. But then there could have been good choices like he could just make the girls explain their tweets

I feel like Hwayoung was put in the group as a punishment from the CEO, I know that it might be an unpopular opinion and I don't mean to diss her (I think she's a really god rapper etc,).
And that he now is putting in 2 new girls, I mean.. it must feel really stressful and a bit humiliating too for the rest of the girls (no hate on aerum or dani).
It almost feels like the CEO wants to.. destroy the group? I don't know.
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Then, we don't know the whole story either, and how many times haven't someone written something to a friend, if they're having a fight they didn't think of the drama it would cause them if they posted it on twitter.. And people always takes sides.
But, also it might be the CEO that is behind all this stuff, it would not surprise me, a pr-thing to shake it a bit... I don't know
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I hope they're working it out ~
BTW, I hope that no one misunderstand my feelings about T-ara. And english is not my first language so I am sorry if someone misreads.

I don't find any kind of bullying in the tweets from Hyomin/Eunjung/Jiyeon/Soyeon/Boram. And those tweets do not have explicit relation to Hwayoung. All the idea of "T-ara members bullyng Hwayoung" came from the people commenting on forums (e.g. AKP). We can find pro-bulling arguments like "Soyeon answered 'Mmm' to Hwayoung in a Life Theater episode" or "Jiyeon did not hi-5 to Hwayoung". These people opportunely ignores the times when Hwayoung was close with the older members on another TV show. I find ridiculous the way they take a few seconds of a program to support their argument. We cannot jump to conclusions of the real interactions between members watching a few seconds from a TV show. Those seconds are only a fraction of their lives, a very little fraction.
For me the bullying argument cannot be sustained only with the tweets right now. Maybe in the future with more information and some real proof.
And I agree with kenzo and JLee, one thing that bothered me were the tweets from Hwayoung and Hyoyoung. They added more oil to the fire and made the problem worse because they feed all those people who like to bash T-ara.
Waiting for July 30th for more information.
PS:Sorry for venting my frustration and angry here, but this forum is the only place where T-ara fans can express their feelings.

Yeah...that's what I just feel right now. If T-ara indeed directing the tweets to hwayoung, then I have nothing to say. But right now, I'm pissed off at hwayoung and hyoyoung. I mean does hwayoung really needs to post another suspicious tweet? Really? At times like this she should have lay low.
No offence intended, we all have our own opinions.

kenzo
Scatter_88mil, on 29 July 2012 - 02:54 AM, said:
I also came across a gif (dating somewhere around the Lovey Dovey period) where the girls were out bowling - and when Jiyeon finished her turn, she goes on to give a double hands clap to all the members but deliberately ignoring Hwayoung first (pardon me for saying this as you're a deep fan of Jiyeon). Something's definitely not right behind the scenes and this issue could serve as a serious warning to CCM if it's going to even think about adding new members.
I know people noticed about it from the day it aired, since I also upload that video to youtube and I think it's not really logical to judge from that, Jiyeon probably too excited to high 5 Eunjung's. Let's say if Jiyeon did deliberately ignore Hwayoung, I'm not surprised because at that time, I didn't get the impression that she's close to Hwayoung yet unlike now. Recently I think she already warmed up to hwayoung but that's just me.
In their recent videos, I actually thought they grown more close....they even give impression to most Queen's that they already accepted areum and dani.
Hate me all you want for saying this but I think hwayoung is being really ungrateful. She forgot who helps her to achieve what she is today. If she's not a T-ara, no one would ever care about her like hyoyoung.
I agree with U.....Why always Jiyeon get bashing when something happen.....If she really bad.....just God know.......

Honestly, I don't think we could ever really rely on clips from their variety shows to accurately show what their real personalities are. Considering they didn't accept Hwayoung as a whole (especially EunJiMin), I've no doubt that it would be considerably worse if it came down to Areum and Dani - if anything, CCM seems to actually enjoy sending newbies to a large meatgrinder for no apparent reason at all. All the more I think it's best if T-ara just stayed with its 6-ara formation and it would have been better if Hwayoung never joined in the first place.
I understand that Hwayoung is also at fault as well - if she did really care about being an idol, she would have reported the whole thing behind-the-scenes rather than letting the whole thing blow over to the public with her sister, making everyone's career in T-ara forced in a very unstable and dangerous position (ironically, her sister happens to be a member of 5dolls, which is notorious for its Soomi-Chanmi-Eunkyo case not so long ago).

I know people noticed about it from the day it aired, since I also upload that video to youtube and I think it's not really logical to judge from that, Jiyeon probably too excited to high 5 Eunjung's. Let's say if Jiyeon did deliberately ignore Hwayoung, I'm not surprised because at that time, I didn't get the impression that she's close to Hwayoung yet unlike now. Recently I think she already warmed up to hwayoung but that's just me.
In their recent videos, I actually thought they grown more close....they even give impression to most Queen's that they already accepted areum and dani.
Hate me all you want for saying this but I think hwayoung is being really ungrateful. She forgot who helps her to achieve what she is today. If she's not a T-ara, no one would ever care about her like hyoyoung.

I'll have to agree with you on the fact that Hwa/Dani/Ahreum should stay away. Something tells me all this wouldn't have started if CCM didn't add new members a year after their debut.

Honestly, it'd have to be a tossup between Hwayoung, Jiyeon, Hyomin, Eunjung, Boram or Soyeon getting the boot. At least for me, I think it's Hwayoung and Boram that face the most likelihood chance if it is to occur. If not, possibly a hiatus.
As far as WGM goes, I wouldn't even rely on that show for the real personality of their characters. I'm pretty sure Jang Woo himself is likely to be pretty gutted and disappointed to hear the news.
I think this chaotic incident should serve as a wakeup call for both fans and CCM - T-ara aren't the adorable perfect angels as the media and fans make them out to be and indefinitely, there should absolutely be no more new member additions at all. Personally, I think T-ara was simply better off in its 6-ara times - I'm not entirely sure but there is bound to have been some sort of tension between Eun/Ji/Min and So/Bo/Qri as well but at least things seemed much more stable back then.
I'm sorry to those who are fans of Areum, Dani and Hwayoung but honestly, I think it's better for them to stay away from T-ara. I'm no fan of those three myself but seeing this happen, they should really reconsider about being members of T-ara. Judging from what's seen, it seems like the original members want to go back to their 6-ara days - and I can't really blame them for that.
Adding in more new members is only more adding salt to the wound and repeat the cycle, no matter what disciplinary actions are made (plus CCM's actions are very likely to be awfully counterproductive), unless all the original members were somehow kicked out - but even that is an unthinkable move.

Well, I am just like you, fans of T-ara since 2009, and i must admit it, maybe i am the one who was a real QUEEN turn to be some antis.
Why? If they can believe one another, how i suppose to believe in them? Well, i just don't want to be stupid QUEEN who blindly love them whatever happens. If they matured enough, they wouldn't bashing people via twitter. And about some news that their account hacked, i believe that's not the case. One doesn't simply hack several account twitter at the same time. And as long as i remembered, CCM always create clarification right away when there is some misunderstanding.
I have this feeling (hwayoung been outcasted) since i watch hello baby, and i have been suspicious since i only have seen hwayoung take photos only with Qri, whom i think T-ara member that Hwayoung closest to. But i don't think that my suspicious become some truth.
Whatever happen tomorrow, maybe the best decision was Hwayoung leaves the group. It will be hard, but i think it's the best decision that came into my brain. If i want to be extreme, cancel areum and dani from joining t-ara too, and let t-ara become 6 member again.

Okay, here we go...
On the 25th five of the girls made a series of tweets on Twitter after their performance at the Budokan. At first nobody paid any attention to them as the messages seemed to be fairly innocuous in tone and even seemed to be very encouraging. The messages were all basically going on about determination, selflessness, manners, and working hard.
Then Hwayoung tweeted a message saying that sometimes determination simply wasn't enough, and that there's a reason for everything that happens; that's when things started getting messy. Hyoyoung (Hwayoung's twin sister) jumped in, saying that she hurt for her sister and that Hwayoung should still be treated like a person, even if she was physically hurt. She went on to make another tweet about how being pretty on the outside has no value if you're not pretty on the inside as well. Then Tarae (Hwayoung's rapping coach) joined in, calling some unknown people "bitches" and remarking that they needed to remember that, at one point, they were nobodies as well. Both Hyoyoung's and Tarae's tweets are thought to be directed at one or more members of T-ara; Tarae went on to rescind his original tweets, claiming they were actually aimed at Nicki Minaj and Beyonce, oddly enough.
It's about at this point that netizens caught wind of the situation and the whole thing spread like wildfire online, with many speculating that the original tweets were T-ara's way of "bullying" Hwayoung and questioning her dedication to the group as she was unable to perform at the Budokan due to her injury. Soon people were putting together elaborate conspiracy theories that speculate that Hwayoung has ALWAYS been bullied by the other T-ara members, even going so far as to compile collections of gifs and pictures that show that Hwayoung has been neglected this whole time; some of these examples are really, REALLY reaching (they've also simultaneously chosen to ignore the pics and videos that show Hwayoung getting along fantastically with the members, but that's another story for another time). Furthermore, CCM has made the mess even worse by stating that the tweets were, in fact, insults, but they claimed that surely the girls wouldn't have made such hateful comments, so what do they do? They claim that five of the girl's Twitter accounts were simultaneously hacked. Highly unlikely.
So, since this situation has only become a million times worse, it's now been announced that KKS will make an official announcement regarding his stance on the issue on July 30th, 2012 at 1:00 P.M., Korean standard time (roughly 8 and a half hours from now). People are speculating that members will probably be kicked out, and at the very worst the group may be disbanded. It's gotten bad enough that people are calling for Hyomin, Eunjung, and Jiyeon's heads (especially the latter), and to a lesser extent, Soyeon and Boram's, who ultimately ended up deleting their tweets, and now there's a petition on Daum requesting that the group officially disband. Anti-fans and casual onlookers are just having the time of their lives watching all of this happen, and none of the comments are very pleasant to read at this point, so it's probably best to stay away from general K-Pop forums like AKP or H8 for the time being.
So now all we can do is wait to see what happens. In any case most people have thrown their support behind Hwayoung, while openly bashing the other girls without proper knowledge of what's truly happened. The whole ordeal just keeps getting messier and messier, and nobody is stepping up to clarify anything or take a stance. I've actually heard that now people are wondering if Hwayoung is as innocent as she's making herself out to be, so even she's starting to get a bit of negative attention for the role she's playing. Right now it's basically a jumble of rumors, theories, speculation, ambiguous, vague Tweets, hurt feelings, and people throwing the word "bully" around a bit too liberally. No doubt that there are problems in T-ara but I doubt that it's a case of bullying. It's a sad situation, to say the least.

i just dont understand this bullying thing people have going for. there is not a single shread of evidence anywhere to support this. outcasting is a maybe. What is more pathetic are all these supposidley pure netizens who have the audacity to claim moral high ground rather than wait and watch to see what happens.

allkpop always like that,make up misleading topic for people to hate t-ara!!i always believe t-ara forevor~!!

The thing is that allkpop wants is to create drama, it is feeding on "fan-wars" and scandals so that people visit their site and write nasty comments.

i will forever support t-ara!!
everything is a mess right now…
we never know whether 6-ara really bullied hwa…even if they said “they did” or “they didn’t”, one can still lie!! and honestly everything on k-pop is a lie…one of my friend tweeted this
“if suju can accept kyuhyun, wg can accept lim, u-kiss kan accept aj and hoon, why not t-ara??”
lemme ask…how do we know they really are accepting??we never know for sure…
so i’m gonna say whatever the outcomes (whether they bullied hwa or not), i still support t-ara..by t-ara i mean 8-ara (though i’m not really sure if i like areum or not..but i guess i’m okay with her for the sake of t-ara)…
i’m not delusional or what…if they are really at fault, shame on them..but as a fan, i will give them chance to reflect…people made mistakes…i’m a fan so it’s my responsibility to trust on them…
SHAME ON THOSE QUEEN’S THAT EASILY TURN THEIR SIDES..SHAME!!
and to other fandoms, please stay away from this mess…it’s not helping at all..and lol at some antis..they support hwa just to hate on t-ara..shame…

i will forever support t-ara!!
everything is a mess right now…
we never know whether 6-ara really bullied hwa…even if they said “they did” or “they didn’t”, one can still lie!! and honestly everything on k-pop is a lie…one of my friend tweeted this
“if suju can accept kyuhyun, wg can accept lim, u-kiss kan accept aj and hoon, why not t-ara??”
lemme ask…how do we know they really are accepting??we never know for sure…
so i’m gonna say whatever the outcomes (whether they bullied hwa or not), i still support t-ara..by t-ara i mean 8-ara (though i’m not really sure if i like areum or not..but i guess i’m okay with her for the sake of t-ara)…
i’m not delusional or what…if they are really at fault, shame on them..but as a fan, i will give them chance to reflect…people made mistakes…i’m a fan so it’s my responsibility to trust on them…
SHAME ON THOSE QUEEN’S THAT EASILY TURN THEIR SIDES..SHAME!!
and to other fandoms, please stay away from this mess…it’s not helping at all..and lol at some antis..they support hwa just to hate on t-ara..shame…