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    ParkYeonSisters reacted to FreakyFlyBri in [12.07. 30] T-ara's agency "Hwayoung, refused to perform during a live show, 'I can't go on stage.'"   
    Honestly, and I hate to anger Hwayoung fans, but this whole story fits together much better than any bullying theory I've seen so far. It's still far-fetched since it seems so out of character for Hwayoung, though...but who knows.
    All I know is that Hyomin LIVES for the stage. Had she known in advance that she was going to have to do Hwa's rap she would've had that sh!t memorized and ready to go, because she's a whore for the spotlight. That she not only had to use cue cards to get through the rap but messed it up (poor dear seems to be having a time with on-stage gaffes lately) tells me that something wasn't right.
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    ParkYeonSisters reacted to Kerotan in [12.07. 30] T-ara's agency "Hwayoung, refused to perform during a live show, 'I can't go on stage.'"   
    Yeah, a few of the random posters there have brains. I noticed they like to aggravate the trolls by being rational and using logic. Pretty obvious something major happened before that performance, but now we have to figure out what exactly that was. It's painful to have to rely on CCM statements alone, lol.
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    ParkYeonSisters reacted to BeautifulRobot in [12.07. 30] T-ara's agency "Hwayoung, refused to perform during a live show, 'I can't go on stage.'"   
    I honestly believe this.
    Finally a smart comment from AKP:
    "Let's think about this for a sec: Not only did they have to change the formations a bit to accommodate for two missing members, but they had to learn difficult rap lyrics (and the rhythm) in 10-15 minutes. This all makes complete sense to me. They would not have cue cards up for Hyomin and Eunjung if they had prepared in advance.
    Eunjung and Hyomin would've had Hwayoung's raps memorized if they would've known in advance. There were GUYS HOLDING UP CUE CARDS for Hwayoung's parts!"
    The tweets were posted on the day after Music Bank. They were talking about dedication and manners. It all fits together very well.
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    ParkYeonSisters reacted to kondo in [12.07. 30] T-ara's agency "Hwayoung, refused to perform during a live show, 'I can't go on stage.'"   
    I'm not saying I completely believe the article, but it does bring to light a bit on why T-ara members were tweeting about determination. And Hwayoung saying that alone is not enough.
    So if I look at the article, and the tweets, I'm guessing maybe T-ara and/or staff wanted Hwayoung to perform even though she was injured. So the conflict might of been about that?
    If so, then this isn't really them bullying her, but having a fight/disagreement. Because it's T-ara (except Qri) vs Hwayoung, it looks like they're bullying her. My point is that I still don't think T-ara ever bullied Hwayoung....I just can't see it.
    About Hwayoung acting like a top star...I just can't see that either. Who's wrong...who's right, I won't make any judgement now, and will still continue to support them both. But....this is really turning ugly.
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    ParkYeonSisters reacted to Kerotan in [12.07. 30] T-ara's agency "Hwayoung, refused to perform during a live show, 'I can't go on stage.'"   
    Not in all cases. They aren't hounded like SNSD, and what happens backstage is not open to the fans.I don't know what to believe right now since I never trusted CCM, but I have been wondering from that very performance, just how did Hyomin forget those lyrics if she had time to prepare, especially since she also has trained for years at rapping? And why didn't Hwayoung perform in the chair at this relatively little show, as she did at the biggest concert of their career (Budokan)?
    I've been wondering this since these rumors started, but I've kept my mouth shut so as not to instigate Hwayoung fans. I am a Hwayoung fan as well, but what doesn't make sense stands out to me.
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    ParkYeonSisters reacted to Ichon Station in [12.07. 30] T-ara's agency "Hwayoung, refused to perform during a live show, 'I can't go on stage.'"   
    I hope nothing more drastic happens. They're a good group with a solid fanbase, but I believe there are a few options here.
    1) This actually happened. If that's the case, there's nothing we can do. The group can't be affected by a member who doesn't want to do it anymore. It'd be a burden on everyone, really.
    2) This is a cover up for something else involving Hwayoung. It's not uncommon nor unbelievable for an agency to make up something drastic like this to distract the public from something else that may be happening. Information that circles the internet can be crazy and inaccurate as we all know. It could well be that Hwayoung had some other reason she wanted to leave the group and the agency handled the request and ensuing arguements extremely poorly. Also not uncommon.
    3) The agency decided she was out and she didn't want to be. I also don't find it out of the realm of possibilty for a Korean music agency to not allow a member who either has low ratings or is deemed unfit for the position in the group to continue on contract. If the member decides to try and fight the system, the company may whip up some controversy that places blame on the member, thus forcing her out.
    Regardless of any number of possiblities, all we can do is speculate and support whomever we want to support. As a side note, props to the members for stepping up to the plate.
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    ParkYeonSisters reacted to Kenz in [12.07.30] T-ara's CEO, "Hwayoung's contract has been terminated"   
    Look, the only people who are ever going to know exactly what went down here are those who are directly involved. Press statements should never be taken as fact, they're only one side of the story and often put together to protect the party making them.
    Without knowing what's happening, I'm just going to keep supporting all of T-ara. I won't write the main members off as bullies just because some websites labelled them as such, and I won't write Hwayoung off just because CCM are trying to make her look bad.
    I'll miss Hwayoung in T-ara, but if she still has the desire to go on making music she'll find a way, and I'll continue to follow her there. Likewise, I'll keep following T-ara in whatever they choose to do next.
    I don't think it's fair to develop opinions of celebrities based on what the media reports, because the media is only ever looking for the most interesting and sellable story, not necessarily the true one. I'll judge celebrities based on what I see of them, and I've seen nothing wrong from anyone here, except some ambiguous tweets that I don't really understand.
    Good luck T-ara, and best of luck to Hwayoung as well! I hope you can all put this behind you as quickly as possible!
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    ParkYeonSisters reacted to mae_ash in [12.07.30] Kim Kwangsoo, "There is a possibility for Hwayoung to re-join.."   
    i bet all the other company CEOs were all now laughing at KKS for all his announcement..
    He was the WORST seriously...
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    ParkYeonSisters reacted to Seorori in [12.07.30] T-ara's CEO, "Hwayoung's contract has been terminated"   
    KKS .... either you're dumb, or you're evil.
    1, Hwayoung leaves .... then so will Hyoyoung. Nice, losing two rappers from two GGs.
    2. You have just confirmed that the rest of the members bullied her. Directly or indirectly .. Great job number two.
    3. After this, petitions for removing members of T-ara out of dramas will be out. Sponsors withdrewing their contracts. Less income ?
    4. More Anti-fans.
    5. T-ara's reputation is seriously ruined. Do I have to say more ?
    Hwayoung might be the last on my T-ara bias list, but she's still on the top of my k-pop idol list. I love her improved rapping skills.
    I know that girl fights can be harsh but ... is this really the right way to end it ?
    How am I supposed to watch the performances of T-ara now ? All the songs with Hwayoung on it ...
    T-ara and Hwayoung, I always support you the same. I'm just too disappointed right now ..
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    ParkYeonSisters reacted to sleepystudent in [12.07.30] T-ara's CEO, "Hwayoung's contract has been terminated"   
    seriously?
    What did Hwayoung do that deserved this? =_= What kind of crack pot people did KKS interview?
    This is weird, odd and stupid. Stupidest timing to send someone off. Should've at least cleared up the misunderstanding, a few months in and then announce this termination.
    Nice job CCM, you just made T-ara into a laughing stock. Nice going.
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    ParkYeonSisters got a reaction from katherine11 in [12.07.29] What is the big T-ara announcement about? "Replacing members was never mentioned in the past"   
    All the speculations will end tomorrow after the BIG announcement.. or maybe not.. depending on what CCM is gonna say. I hope that they are talking out the issues now and reconciling the differences and misunderstandings, then go back and finish the DBD promotions. Even if relationships have been fractured, the management should at least save and instill professionalism in T-ara to be able to work alongside each other and finish their commitments. They still have their 1st Major Concert on August 11 to work on.
    IMO, it would be such a stupid stupid stupid decision if ANY of the member will be kicked out or replaced. The internal issue would not be solved that way. And that'll only add to the controversies right now. No one wants that (except for haters and bashers).
    Keep the faith guys! There's a rainbow always after the rain.
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    ParkYeonSisters reacted to Seorori in [12.07.28] Core Contents Media's CEO to make a very big announcement regarding T-ara on the 30th   
    Let's not bash each other here depending upon our bias. We all became Queen's because we like someone and ended up loving every members with it. Let's just wait and see tommorow's announcement.
    Couldn't agreed more. Everyday an excitement. You couldn't find that from any other groups
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    ParkYeonSisters got a reaction from JH0112 in [12.07.28] Core Contents Media's CEO to make a very big announcement regarding T-ara on the 30th   
    Another freaking BIG announcement! I'm kinda getting tired of hearing something like this from CCM regarding T-ara. Can't they make up their mind for once which direction they are going to head with this group?!
    Personally, I would be really happy if they announce that Dani won't join T-ara anymore and not about removal of members, reprimanding the girls and shaming them publicly, again.
    Just read the AKP article about the tweets. Antis and bashers are having a feast in there, but since no one really knows what happens off stage and off cam, no one is in any position to pass judgment on the girls.
    I feel like us fans have gone through so much also while supporting T-ara. I'm sure we'll also get past this.
    Supporting Boram, Qri, Soyeon, Eunjung, Hyomin, Hwayoung and Jiyeon all the way!
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    ParkYeonSisters reacted to Mongrolian in [12.07.28] Core Contents Media's CEO to make a very big announcement regarding T-ara on the 30th   
    Woo hoo hoo. Even I the big quitter couldn't stay away from this. It's my two gigantor cents time, so be fore-warned, I will be book-writing and all the chapters will be mixed up because I'll be jumping back and forth a lot, it's all aswim up in the head. So call me irresponsible (and whatever else) but it'll be a mess. And oh, the re-tread - I will try to quote and so on, but please bear with me on rehashing stuff. So no pressure to read this, it's more so that I can pretend to myself I was heard. And another thing, I'll fight hard to resist to urge to check back in, sorry, but I really, really do need to not get too into this. A part of me wants to get into this, but yeah.
    But first, I quit being active here - and for a while, I couldn't deal with listening to T-ara songs either - but I'm still a fan, if you go to an older definition of that word, and not, like, what that seems to mean now. Not so old as "short for 'fanatic,'" but I'm boring you now.
    So it's true that they're all living separately now? Like diviso et conquerrat, my stupid fake Latin for "divide and conquer." Perhaps Mr. Kim thought it would make it more difficult for them to coordinate in opposition to him, but now it looks like the collateral damage is more or less this situation. Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps.
    I checked out Oniontaker's post on all this on his personal... tumblr? Anyway, some real comedy to be found in the rap coach guy's predicament. Of course, it's also sad, but hey, laughter makes you cry for a reason, right? Anyway, his subsequent responses to what has been going on has enough of the ring of truth for me, so I feel comfortable having a laugh about that working father's predicament.
    For all you kids, remember to place all this outrage in the context of your own personal lives - like, you could talk about Hwayoung being (cyber-)bullied, about the antis bullying T-ara, you could even talk about the T-ara fans "bullying" this or that member, and then you could talk about people in your personal circles being bullied (or, those outside of your circles). Like, really, you hear something about someone you don't really know, "that kid," and suddenly you do meet that kid and you're on guard because "well, I have heard..." And et cetera. You've probably heard about this kind of thing somewhere, so just remember that this is an example of all that.
    But yeah, I'm not taking a harsh stance on any of them because, hell, even with some of my disagreements with some of the T-ara members' decisions and their judgement, I've done like ish in my own lives, and under heaploads less pressure than they are and have been under. And another funny thing about all this stuff is in my small circle, watching Hwayoung and hearing about her contributing to the lyrics and all that, we were all joking about "The Rise of Hwayoung" and all. There's this little moment at the beginning of a perf, she steps up right in the beginning and the camera is low in front of her, there's a look (we called) exhilaration, a kind of nervous excitement. They're wearing blue, and I think it was two weeks ago now. Oh well.
    More to the meat of the matter. First, a general insult of your choosing directed towards Mr. Kim. Yon chickens come home to roost, all that. Speaking of leadership (and you management-minded kids could learn something from this)... Mr. Kim sets the tone for his company. And for T-ara. He set the rules, both the written ones and the un-written ones based on the way he's dealt with them and with things, so he creates the culture in his house. You create tensions between people, talking about competing for places internally, and snap at people calling them lazy and unprofessional, and you create unrest and uncertainty with frequent changes and disregard for your people, what with the leader changes and all the work load. You create negativity. And you don't address that negativity, you just keep hounding people and pushing them, they still nurse that negativity, on top of all the new frustrations you add and the random stuff that happens in peoples' lives, hell, you wind up with angry people.
    My small understanding of Hwayoung's entry into the group, Eunjung said something about being against adding new members initially - and then Hwayoung is added, Eunjung is deposed and replaced with Boram, who, it seems, can only be charitably called a figurehead leader, if any kind of leader at all. I was wondering what was going on with Soyeon's "rebellion," and I guess Mr. Kim's (assumed) long-term goal of undermining her influence by throwing her into a situation she couldn't deal with is coming to a head (to clarify, having her instigate a situation that would snowball with other pressures that were known to come, others known to be building, and then the unknown ones). You can only bank on other people's forbearance for so long.
    Ah, anyway. The first little go-around of tweets (for reference I'll treat Oniontaker's material as the "authoritative" translation), could be taken as the usual "cheer up" stuff, but yeah, the implication behind claiming they were hacked statements cannot be ignored. Perhaps Soyeon at first treated it as the cheer up stuff at first, but then deleted her comment when she found out there was more going on - after all, even if we understand that she knows what's going on within the group, why couldn't she have just seen Hyomin's tweet and been all, "lets all work hard today as well?" I don't know, maybe using the word "difference" is just her quoting the original words Hyomin used - Hyomin was first, right? And then Boram too for that matter, the other post-deleter.
    And, on the negative side, you could think Soyeon was at best being patronizing but supportive, or at worst fully on the bandwagon. Like if "difference in determination" was a phrase they'd used before and that Soyeon would have recognized... but if that's the case, see below about the other three.
    Qri, thanks to Google translate, I know she and Boram were tweeting something about not having makeup on. There is humor everywhere. Ho ho ho, maybe, maybe it's like an inside "joke" between her and Boram going on about not having to be performers anymore? Is that me being a jerk? Stay in school, kids, or you wind up like me.
    Hyomin, Jiyeon and Eunjung... is the preferred portmanteau Eunjimin? Just looking at the tweets themselves, you could come up with whatever you want. Look what I did with the Qri thing, and I was just messing around. If we add the context of the press release, and from that assume that this is a part of ongoing disagreements... First, using the internet is very unnatural. People lose their self-awareness very quickly when they're "talking" to people by punching in letters on an input field using a keyboard or their thumbs and then mouse- or finger-clicking a little square that says "tweet" or "post" or "send." And then, being a celebrity is totally weird. Imagine what it's like, to go to school, and like, people are taking pictures of you, someone touches your hand and starts crying, and strangers are screaming about wanting to marry you. Someone bumps into you and out of no where fifty people rush up and start hating on that person for "hitting" you and, when you say, "dudes, I'm all right, leave him alone," suddenly those folks turn around and starting clapping and praising you for being so merciful and kind. Or, people from around the world send you packages of food.
    To take the general into the specific - your boss has encouraged you to tweet often and about any trivial thing, because it's good, cheap publicity - Soyeon actually quoted Mr. Kim as having the attitude that any publicity is good publicity. So yeah, you tweet weird stuff like that Eunjung thing about the grass pot-human thing and people are all "oh, she's so cool and creative." You tweet sad stuff that gets your fan base in a bother about your unfair working conditions and they encourage you. You have a dispute, both with your boss, and now, with another member, and the message gets mixed up - you tweet about it, however innocuously, because "there's no such thing as bad publicity," you're getting back at your boss as part of this ongoing disagreement with him, even if you're talking about someone else. Maybe they thought the connection wouldn't be made, maybe they were trying to start something - as an outside possibility, maybe they really were playing nice, and Hwayoung was just complaining about something else, but because Mr. Kim's publicity machine got it wrong, maybe they're sticking to their guns because they think they can use it against him. But yeah, somewhere there was a disagreement, and it's been addressed on or because of certain tweets. I won't be more critical of them other than to say that it's generally unwise to air private matters in a public forum.
    I get it, you reprimand people for behavior you disagree with. That's one of my big reservations with the netizen stuff in kpop - the various netizen groups frequently come off as reactionary jerks, but on the other hand, it's just part of keeping a society in line. And aren't the cultural values (expressed through their celebrity culture and entertainment media) a pretty big part of what makes Korean entertainment so likable? But everyone says I either refuse to take sides, or that I'm always on someone else's side. I mean really, even if EJH really have been negatively critical of Hwayoung, like, I'd disagree with their apparent treatment of the situation, but really, I've seen worse from better people, you know? And anyway, I've got nothing to do with it other than click my tongue from a distant sideline.
    And Hwayoung. She's in her own spot too. Even if I didn't know about all the stuff I'm now reading about with regards to how close she was to everyone else (all taken with that grain of salt, of course), there's just no way she could be as close to the others as they are to each other. They can be real close, real tight with each other beyond any relationship I've ever had, but unless she just clicked with one or two of them, her relationships with any of them will be less than those between the other six with each other. So no, she won't be able to draw on them for the same kind of support, she won't be able to feed her own determination with the collective energy as the other six. She also won't have the same commitment to their collective fortunes, whether because she simply hasn't been a part of the group (and through all the same experiences) as long, or if she really was always treated as an outcast in the group. Everyone agrees this year's been a real effed situation, all told. Wherever her breaking point is, maybe she's just getting there. I mean, if she is talking about quitting or not being able to keep up any more, or if she's just been in really low spirits for an extended period... aren't all those things what the fandom's been saying would be the end result of Mr. Kim's harsh policies? That poor kid that Gen. Patton slapped couldn't handle the war back then, and maybe Hwayoung's having a difficult time dealing with everything on her plate. And yeah, the fallout from most of the Hwayoung episodes seem to have been good publicity for her personally - that is, she's come out looking good to the fans most of the time. Maybe this is about some campaign to push her forward, given Mr. Kim's general pattern of dealing with things. But if we assume she's not getting a big warm feeling from the group, maybe she turns to the fandom at large, who have mostly responded positively to her in situations like this. Where do we turn when we find ourselves up against a wall? If you're really up against it, it'll probably just be the first thing you think of.
    Hyoyoung's tweets most specifically indicate that something's going on. Even if we treat them separately, it's clear from the first post that Hwayoung is "suffering," and from the second that someone in pain is being treated unfairly (in her opinion), and, we may also assume, that the person being unfair is attractive. She kinda wraps a big bow on the whole "bullying" idea, unless she really is just playing the twitter world for fools (and doing so by selling out her twin).
    So few fishes left swimming... how much have I forgotten?
    Here's something: They say Eunjung took painkillers to perform on injured knee (ankle?). Others say she was or may have been forced to do so by the management - against her will, or under duress, what have you. Imagine how easy that is to turn around in one's memory by saying "I did it then, why can't you?" even if you didn't want to do it back then? And maybe, just maybe Hwayoung wasn't pressured to take painkillers in this more recent event - but again, it would still cause negativity to the aggrieved parties.
    But as for all this twitter stuff, given the volumes dedicated to the scenario, it's hard to imagine that as little as ten sentences or so could be the basis of all this. There's not even a lot of continuity between the tweets. The twins are obviously talking to each other, and Jiyeon and Eunjung both refer back to Hyomin, but there's swathes of empty space between even each individual statement. Talk about economy of language.
    I mean, maybe the lack of corrective statements from the members... maybe they're all tired of it all too. Like they just decided, "I can't duck my head and toe the company line this time." Hah. It's only been a few days, but maybe they've already met among themselves and decided that if Hwayoung can't take this, then the rest just aren't going to deal with it all either - given that their fortunes are tied to each other, some collective position must be reached. But then, for contractual purposes, they can't up and say something like that, so they have to press the impression that they're feuding and hope they get bailed out by some misstep by Mr. Kim. Ah, idle speculation.
    Lastly, people are more interested in being able to judge other people for their misdeeds than on applauding their merits. This is because problems get more attention than things that go smoothly, but still.
    But also, why "Sometimes dedication alone is sometimes not enough?" Just tossing them out before I starve, is she saying "I really can't do it (no matter my amount of dedication)," is she (hee hee) simply disagreeing with Hyomin's statement, is she displaying a hint of fatalism, is she suggesting something like "you also need the support of those around you" or that she's running out of reasons to keep going... etc.
    And just again, whatever the mettle or character of these T-ara kids to begin with, Mr. Kim screwed them up. He's also throwing a shady light on Kpop as a whole.
    And lastly lastly, I'll toss out another message about taking all this in the context of your own lives. If you think you're freaking out too much over this, try to remind yourself of your other pursuits in life. It can be hard, but really, there are things that need doing. Like, keeping busy can actually help reduce stress in situations like this.
    Sorry folks, if I messed up anywhere! Thanks site folk for having this place where I could say things like this! Thanks folks for whatever, and thanks T-ara for doing all right!
    And edit lastly, I really do hope those kids get a break. With the company or not, whatever, I hope they find something else to do with themselves for a while and live better lives and after a year or two look back and treat their CCM tenures as the lesson it was.
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    ParkYeonSisters reacted to Eclipsed in [12.07.28] Core Contents Media's CEO to make a very big announcement regarding T-ara on the 30th   
    Super long post, but hopefully its a good read for fellow concerned QUEEN'S.
    I'm willing to give the girls the benefit of the doubt regarding this whole bullying Hwayoung issue (but things are seriously looking very, very bad). But if they really are, I would be extremely shocked and totally disappointed in the girls. Having known them since debut, watching them gain popularity day by day with their hilarious variety shows and catchy songs, T-ara have always been the group to be able to put a smile to my face, rain or shine.
    It is so disheartening to see thousands of people coming to conclusions so easily about this bullying, calling JiEunMin and even Soyeon very foul names and calling QUEEN'S delusional for wanting to give T-ara a chance to explain. Years of hard work to gain fame and recognition all easily tarnished just by this situation. It's hard to see how T-ara will manage to recover from this, if they even can...
    Looking at it from a realistic point of view, it's hard to not agree that Hwayoung is being bullied by the other members (minus Qri and maybe Boram). T-ara always had 2 'subunits'; the "Originals" (Jiyeon, Eunjung, Hyomin) and the "Unnis" (Soyeon, Qri, Boram) and then there was Hwayoung who didn't fit into either group (but was typically grouped with Qri and Boram as the "Underrated" group by fans).
    Even I noticed from all of their variety shows that Hwayoung was always the outcast type; the members would talk to her and treat her normally but there were rarely ever any cute moments- or rather, any bonding- between Hwayoung and another member; at best it was Hwayoung having a derp moment like when she dropped the stack of cups in Pretty Boys and all the other members laugh at her for that. There was always a sort of invisible tension, a sort of coldness and neglect. Throughout Hello Baby Hwayoung was always just playing with Maden all alone by herself while the others were doing their own thing with Mason and Mavin. Also in the first episode of Star Life Theater, Hwayoung told the camera man that they were going to go practice for their concert and she said "right, Unnie?" to Soyeon who simply said "Mmm" and a second later gave Hwayoung a quick smile... this would have been okay, had Hwayoung not chuckle very, very awkwardly. That scene just felt totally off to me.
    Many fans (including myself) HATED the announcement that T-ara was getting a new member back in '10, with many reasons being that T-ara was fine as they were and that the addition was completely unnecessary (it still kind of was, honestly. Her addition had no effect on the success of YaYaYa, Why Are You Being Like This, Roly Poly, Cry Cry, etc. All it did was force the current T-ara members to have to RELEARN the choreography for previous songs and the members themselves expressed how unhappy- or rather, the difficulties they had- about that).
    Hwayoung essentially had a lot to prove to both the fans and the T-ara members themselves that she was a worthy member of T-ara. It was not until Lovey Dovey and Day by Day, nearly 2 years later, when 2 more members were added, did Hwayoung finally get to be recognized. Things were going so well for T-ara... No one had any idea that the members were potentially bullying Hwayoung. How can this be? And why would the girls publicly bash Hwayoung via Twitter?
    Since we have quite some time until the 30th major announcement, let's piece together the information (this is all PURE SPECULATION).
    1. Hwayoung's addition to T-ara makes no contribution whatsoever, and actually had a detrimental effect: the girls had to relearn choreographies for past songs and now had to split earnings even more, not to mention they now had the awkward atmosphere of having a new member- or rather, a nobody (everybody starts off as nobodies!)- being thrown into the group.
    2. As a result, T-ara members never fully "accepted" Hwayoung. They have 'accepted' that she was a part of T-ara because obviously they could not do anything about it and had to be professional, but they have never 'accepted' her as a part of them. This is seen on variety shows, where Hwayoung is always the outcast- always left out. She always was there, but she wasn't a part of them. This becomes even more evident when you see how Hwayoung treats Areum- always hugging her and smiling with her... they almost seem inseparable. Already you see Hwayoung having cute bonding moments with a NEW member... Something that you rarely, if ever, see her having with the original members despite the 2 YEARS she was with them.
    3. Regarding the fabled CEO KKS and his rather... interesting... reputation, his ranting about T-ara being "lazy" and "full of themselves" makes sense if you consider the current situation. As fans who only saw T-ara as angels with a hectic schedule and 2 hour sleeps we immediately dismissed KKS's crude remarks, but if Hwayoung was really bullied via Twitter, chances are she was bullied behind the scenes too. She could've told KKS about this, prompting him to be outraged at the behavior of these members who became "full of themselves" and think they were "irreplaceable" to the point of adding in more members and threatening that he can remove anyone who continues to stir problems. As Hwayoung was the victim here, KKS decides to let Hwayoung have the spotlight with her raps for the Day by Day album, while JiEunMin and even Soyeon seemed to have diminishing lines. This can be related to KKS's statement of "no singing talent = no lines", although it is impossible to tell. The sudden change in line distribution could also stir jealousy and competition among the members.
    4. Due to stress, lack of sleep, and a hectic schedule coupled with KKS's threats of removing them if they were lazy or mistreating each other, a lot of fans saw T-ara as a ticking time bomb, wondering when they would finally explode and always commenting "I wish they'd just leave CCM for good" or to "pull a KARA and file a lawsuit". But T-ara somehow continued to pull through with a smile, telling fans to not worry about their health and that they even want to continue acting along with doing music despite the whole no-more-acting-in-2012 thing. The members were, in a sense, absolutely "determined" that they could manage everything. They even had a big-scale concert- the Budokan, coming up, and they were practicing furiously for it. Eunjung herself stated, "We just want to enjoy the stage, without the pressure of being #1".
    5. Unfortunately, last minute, Hwayoung injured herself, and was ultimately unable to perform at the concert, causing all the members who had extremely high hopes for the concert to become extremely disappointed. Since it was last minute, there was no way T-ara could adjust their choreography and line distribution; in essence, their month(s) of practices and preparation for the concert went down the drain along with their hopes of just being able to "enjoy the stage". The damage a lack of Hwayoung causes is evidently seen in the 120727 Day by Day performance on Music Bank where Hwayoung was absent- Hyomin outright had to look at a staff member who wrote the lyrics on a board for her to be able to pull off the rap and her clueless expression was saddening to watch. If the damage for one performance was so bad without Hwayoung, imagine the damage it had on a full scale concert and the resulting disappointment the girls would have.
    6. How do the members react? They don't live together anymore, so they didn't handle it privately. They used Twitter to express their frustrations. The new member that joined 2 years ago that didn't really offer anything to the group and was outcasted, costed T-ara the chance to enjoy their first big-scale concert in Japan. Having been brainwashed by KKS to be extremely competitive-otherwise-be-kicked, coupled with their frustrations, T-ara couldn't handle it anymore and had to outright (indirectly?) bash Hwayoung on Twitter. "It's all her fault. She was not determined enough" Is basically what this whole Twitter bullying thing is about. It's not like other members were mad about the injury but rather the timing of it; others have been injured and/or absent before- that happened all the time and they were fine. But this time it happened on a big-scale event with high expectations. Hwayoung- someone who was potentially not liked in the first place- cost them BIG time at the Budokan. Members could potentially be thinking, this would have never happened if she never joined our group. We would have been fine without her (and they would be right. Eunjung and Hyomin are wonderful at rapping and T.T.L. is living proof of that). But still... for them to publicly lash at her and questioning her about her determination is something that even I cannot forgive T-ara for IF it happens to be true.
    7. How does Hwayoung feel? DEVASTATED. If she really was bullied all this time and was an outcast... I can't even imagine the pain she had to go through. The T-ara members constantly mentioned that through all the tough times, they at least always had each other; a sort of second family. What about Hwayoung? Her most recent twitter mentioned that she at least has the support of her "family" and fans... whether T-ara is a part of her "family" is unknown... but if they haven't been all this time, then my heart goes out to her. Hyoyoung, being revealed by Hwayoung in Star Life Theater as the one who told the CEO to put Hwayoung into T-ara, must be feeling extremely guilty. She was the one that allowed this to happen- to let her younger twin, her "better half", be bullied by T-ara. "What's the point of having a pretty face if your inside isn't pretty?" she says is basically calling out one or more of the T-ara members.
    8. CCM claims that T-ara couldn't have made those tweets and that they were hacked- this essentially means that the girl's tweets are acknowledged as insults, NOT ENCOURAGEMENT despite what translations may imply. Hell they could of sincerely thought this would be the only case, because they didn't know that Hwayoung was actually being bullied. Many people are laughing at that hacked statement, as it is "obviously B.S." but who knows. Maybe they were hacked (doubt it), maybe CCM said that specifically because they know it will attract even more attention- especially since they have a "major announcement" coming up. The major announcement did shift some of the focus off the bullying scandal and has instead made people pondering about what the major announcement could be, but overall the damage this whole issue has on T-ara's popularity- dividing the fandom, making thousands call the other members very crude names, and overall making the image of T-ara not as Queens of K-Pop but Queens of Cat-Fights is a very depressing event that makes the future of T-ara look very bleak.
    9. Hyomin ended this by changing her picture (she changed it shortly after) to something that mentioned, "Everything happens for a reason" on Twitter. We shall *hopefully* see what this reason is, and pray for the better, on the 30th.
    T-ara hwaiting.
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    ParkYeonSisters reacted to FreakyFlyBri in [12.07.28] Core Contents Media's CEO to make a very big announcement regarding T-ara on the 30th   
    Honestly, I'm not really thrilled with anybody right now, save for Qri and Areum, who wisely decided to sit this one out. Eunjung, Jiyeon and Hyomin should've known better than to make comments that could've been taken out of context on a social networking site like Twitter, Boram and Soyeon should've taken the mature route and not said anything at all (especially since they went ahead and deleted their tweets anyways), and Hwayoung shouldn't have added fuel to the fire by calling for a bid for public sympathy. None of them are impressing me right now, their behavior is reminiscent of twelve-year-old girls, so maybe Dani's inclusion shouldn't be such a shock anymore since their mentality is probably closer to her than we thought. And before anybody says anything, I still love them and will continue supporting them, but this whole ordeal is just ridiculous.
    Anyways, back on topic...I agree that maybe this is all a blessing in disguise. As I sat last night thinking about everything, the one thing that kept crossing my mind is how when idols get involved in scandals too big to be swept under the rug, they are usually put on an extended hiatus to let things cool down. If ever there was a time that such an action was appropriate, it's now. Day By Day showed us that T-ara has enough power to their name that they can withstand some controversy, what with the member changes and everything, but for KKS to keep them on track for two or more comebacks for this year alone isn't going to help matters. Sexy Love/Mirage and T-ara's Effect need to be put on the backburner until next year, and these 8 (maybe soon to be 9, who knows at this point) need to sit down, have a pow-wow, sing a couple of bars of Kumbaya, and GROW UP. All of them.
    As far as a member leaving goes, I've heard some interesting theories about Hwayoung...that she's actually been rumored to want to leave for some time, and that the member's tweets are actually in reply to her deciding that she's going to leave, and them questioning her level of dedication to the group. If that IS the case, I can somehow understand their frustration with her, but even then all of this Twitter mess is just driving me crazy. It's not that they had problems with each other, that's understandable, it's that all of their dirty laundry is being aired out in public, and they're the ones who seem to be responsible.
    Sorry, I'm just venting right now. I guess it's all of my frustrations over the past few months finally coming out all at once. I still love T-ara and hope for the best for them and will continue to support them, but I seriously hope they get put on an extended break, both for their sake and for the fan's sake. It's just not fair to keep f*cking with the fandom like this.
    EDIT: I was so busy ranting that I forgot to say apology accepted lol. But yeah, we're good, if there's anything good that's come out of this mess it's that I've realized that it's time for me to wake up. T-ara had a good run but they're just as fallible and prone to error as anyone else; time to be realistic about their current situation. You're absolutely right about one thing; Queen's need to brace themselves, the proverbial sh!t is about to hit the fan.
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    ParkYeonSisters got a reaction from TSC1981 in [12.07.28] Core Contents Media's CEO to make a very big announcement regarding T-ara on the 30th   
    Another freaking BIG announcement! I'm kinda getting tired of hearing something like this from CCM regarding T-ara. Can't they make up their mind for once which direction they are going to head with this group?!
    Personally, I would be really happy if they announce that Dani won't join T-ara anymore and not about removal of members, reprimanding the girls and shaming them publicly, again.
    Just read the AKP article about the tweets. Antis and bashers are having a feast in there, but since no one really knows what happens off stage and off cam, no one is in any position to pass judgment on the girls.
    I feel like us fans have gone through so much also while supporting T-ara. I'm sure we'll also get past this.
    Supporting Boram, Qri, Soyeon, Eunjung, Hyomin, Hwayoung and Jiyeon all the way!
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    ParkYeonSisters got a reaction from winnieBG in [12.07.28] Core Contents Media's CEO to make a very big announcement regarding T-ara on the 30th   
    sleepystudent So true, CCM's damage control sucks BIG TIME!
    SKream I don't have any notion that T-ara will stay as a group after they hit 5 years in the industry, they are only in their 3rd year now but because of the way they are treated by their management, breaking up seems not so far from them. But I will always hope that they will stay and treat each other like family. As for me, if ever this happens, I'll try to still be active in this forum as I am now and continue to support the girls the way I know how.
    T-ara fighting! T-ara fans fighting!
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    ParkYeonSisters got a reaction from winnieBG in [12.07.28] Core Contents Media's CEO to make a very big announcement regarding T-ara on the 30th   
    Another freaking BIG announcement! I'm kinda getting tired of hearing something like this from CCM regarding T-ara. Can't they make up their mind for once which direction they are going to head with this group?!
    Personally, I would be really happy if they announce that Dani won't join T-ara anymore and not about removal of members, reprimanding the girls and shaming them publicly, again.
    Just read the AKP article about the tweets. Antis and bashers are having a feast in there, but since no one really knows what happens off stage and off cam, no one is in any position to pass judgment on the girls.
    I feel like us fans have gone through so much also while supporting T-ara. I'm sure we'll also get past this.
    Supporting Boram, Qri, Soyeon, Eunjung, Hyomin, Hwayoung and Jiyeon all the way!
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    ParkYeonSisters got a reaction from boramfan in [12.07.28] Core Contents Media's CEO to make a very big announcement regarding T-ara on the 30th   
    Another freaking BIG announcement! I'm kinda getting tired of hearing something like this from CCM regarding T-ara. Can't they make up their mind for once which direction they are going to head with this group?!
    Personally, I would be really happy if they announce that Dani won't join T-ara anymore and not about removal of members, reprimanding the girls and shaming them publicly, again.
    Just read the AKP article about the tweets. Antis and bashers are having a feast in there, but since no one really knows what happens off stage and off cam, no one is in any position to pass judgment on the girls.
    I feel like us fans have gone through so much also while supporting T-ara. I'm sure we'll also get past this.
    Supporting Boram, Qri, Soyeon, Eunjung, Hyomin, Hwayoung and Jiyeon all the way!
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    ParkYeonSisters reacted to FreakyFlyBri in [12.07.28] Core Contents Media's CEO to make a very big announcement regarding T-ara on the 30th   
    You're right, Boram never did follow Hwayoung to begin with. Most people just automatically assumed that she followed her because they were members of the same group, lol.
    Honestly, this situation has become nothing short of frustrating to watch unfold. The ambiguity of it all is what's driving me crazy.
    To begin with, I don't know what to make of the five who originally started the Twit convo in the first place. When it was just the five of them it seemed like a relatively innocent conversation, nothing horrible or out of the ordinary...they just sounded like they were trying to give someone a pep talk. Then Hwayoung and Hyoyoung chimed in, then Hwayoung's rap teacher, and that's where it all went to hell in a handbasket. If the five of them were guilty of bullying (and reading their messages I still have a hard time seeing it) they need to face the music and stop acting like children. I understand they're all tired and on edge, but now is NOT the time to be sniping at each other, regardless of the circumstances.
    And this might get me flamed but I don't care, Hwayoung should've known better than to stir the pot by continuing to tweet those additional messages in a bid to gain public sympathy. She's only made this one hundred times worse than it already is, so I hold her just as accountable as I do the members who allegedly bullied her. They're all acting ridiculously immature, which is sad considering the majority of them are in their twenties and should be acting like adults. At any rate, ALL of them are old enough to know better.
    If they have problems or issues, that's fine. They obviously need some help sorting everything out. But to go about handling their issues like this is downright stupid, I'm quite disappointed in everyone who took part. Good on Areum and Qri for being adults and staying out of what is obviously a VERY messy situation.
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    ParkYeonSisters got a reaction from FelixFelicis96 in [12.07.28] Video HD - T-ara "Day by Day" @ Music Core + MC Cuts   
    Thanks for the vids!
    It was nice to see Jiyeon doing MC chores again for MuCore, even just for this day. Today was such a tumultuous day for the fans, I hope everyone pulls through.
    T-ara Fighting!
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    ParkYeonSisters reacted to j4trail in [12.07.28] Core Contents Media's CEO to make a very big announcement regarding T-ara on the 30th   
    I don't buy that especially Soyeon would publicly insult any member on twitter. Apart from being the current leader, she's rather mature and a good speaker, she knows better than this.
    I just don't buy the whole incident. Haters gonna hate.
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    ParkYeonSisters got a reaction from jknlet in [12.07.28] Core Contents Media's CEO to make a very big announcement regarding T-ara on the 30th   
    Another freaking BIG announcement! I'm kinda getting tired of hearing something like this from CCM regarding T-ara. Can't they make up their mind for once which direction they are going to head with this group?!
    Personally, I would be really happy if they announce that Dani won't join T-ara anymore and not about removal of members, reprimanding the girls and shaming them publicly, again.
    Just read the AKP article about the tweets. Antis and bashers are having a feast in there, but since no one really knows what happens off stage and off cam, no one is in any position to pass judgment on the girls.
    I feel like us fans have gone through so much also while supporting T-ara. I'm sure we'll also get past this.
    Supporting Boram, Qri, Soyeon, Eunjung, Hyomin, Hwayoung and Jiyeon all the way!
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    ParkYeonSisters got a reaction from Desti in [12.07.28] Core Contents Media's CEO to make a very big announcement regarding T-ara on the 30th   
    Another freaking BIG announcement! I'm kinda getting tired of hearing something like this from CCM regarding T-ara. Can't they make up their mind for once which direction they are going to head with this group?!
    Personally, I would be really happy if they announce that Dani won't join T-ara anymore and not about removal of members, reprimanding the girls and shaming them publicly, again.
    Just read the AKP article about the tweets. Antis and bashers are having a feast in there, but since no one really knows what happens off stage and off cam, no one is in any position to pass judgment on the girls.
    I feel like us fans have gone through so much also while supporting T-ara. I'm sure we'll also get past this.
    Supporting Boram, Qri, Soyeon, Eunjung, Hyomin, Hwayoung and Jiyeon all the way!
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