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If im not wrong, hyomin is an only child and her parents studied arts too... i dont remember where i read that but im sure i did
There is almost nothing about them... im wondering why :/
Could be that... they are super famous?!!
or super rich?!!
I dont know but im really interested
I think you're right on the regard that she's an only child - up to date, there hasn't been any mention of her having any siblings (most particularly at a teary moment at a talk show at some point in early July 2012 I believe, where she only mentioned her parents and how she almost never talks to them even when at home). Not sure about her parents studying art though....by 'arts', did you mean art as in they're artists or 'arts' as in performing or literature arts?
Super famous probably wouldn't be my guess though - if that were the case, people would have quickly dug that up as early as debut no matter how much info is suppressed.
I wouldn't rule out rich though (super rich is unlikely, especially if you're talking about chaebol status). Being a former internet uljjang and shopping model should have gotten her a decent income, since that's pretty much what the vast majority of uljjangs do as a job.
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[14.05.26]
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This will be a good refreshing start for T-ara. Seeing how Jiyeon is doing and the attention T-ara is getting is fantastic.
I don't think T-ara are going to disband anytime soon. CCM is just taking a new strategy with them, hoping they will get them back to where they once were.
We can't really talk for T-ara, all we have to do is support them 100% and stay by their side through good and bad, they deserve it.
Hahah you're not being realistic you're just being plain negative and not supportive of the group at all. Like i sometimes wonder if you've ever supported T-ara.
Do please tell me exactly where in my post is not being realistic, then we can start talking whether here or on PM.
Just because I'm not praising them all the time like some members here doesn't automatically mean I'm an unsupportive grumpy nutter of the sort. It's nothing new or even remotely surprising though, and I prefer to be honest about my opinions as well.
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Hah....democracy...now that is a never ending topic for me to talk about...like...my homeland...LOL...things never gonna change and no one's gonna stand up...
I could probably say the same for Korea lol. In any scenario the two Koreas reunite (which may likely happen in the distant future) or the current rate of politics going the same for 10-20 years, I'm willing to bet $100 that the government will very likely collapse and probably be overthrown by a military coup.
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I'm curious as to which side of the political spectrum the group has actually voted for, or even lean on for that matter.
LOL...I've never know u follow k-politics bro...Au-politics gives me enough head ache LOL
Korea is my native motherland after all, and since politics is so closely tied with history, it gets my attention quite a bit
From military dictatorships to a democracy, and with a ton of infighting here and there, it makes great entertainment to see the ruling and opposition parties slam it out one another lol. -
I have 2 questions, 1 is a little bit unrelated to this...
1. The elections are only local? like governor?
2. Who was the guy who resigned because of the ferry thing? the president?
Thank you in advance
1) Yes, they're the sixth municipal elections. Aside from governors, it's also elections of various other figures in metropolitan councils and the like.
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2) The guy who resigned, as CaptFantasy mentioned, was ROK Prime Minister Jung Hongwon. The position of PM is still left open, though a man named Ahn Daehee (former Supreme Court judge and lawyer) was nominated before he withdrew from it due to raised concerns of alleged corruption related to earned a bit too much during his tenure as a lawyer - at least that's what the opposition party has claimed.
President Park is still in position, and won't be going until four years (unless she's somehow impeached or resigns, though this is very unlikely).
EDIT: for more info regarding the 2014 June municipal elections, refer to these links;
http://blogs.wsj.com/korearealtime/2014/06/03/south-koreas-local-election-a-test-for-president/
http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_national/640699.html
http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_national/621088.html
http://news.yahoo.com/ferry-tragedy-turns-local-korea-polls-referendum-040104551.html
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It's not like they just came out and did that with no reason at all. They probably were frustrated but still tried to keep it private until the day they didn't want to hold back anymore. You know there's a term about the straw that broke the camel's back. And for me criticizing somebody when she's at fault is no where near bullying. And I doubt that there's someone who never did that once in their life. For idols yup that was unprofessional, that was immature, that was bad teammate but they did apologize.
I never said, claimed or implied they did it for no reason.
Yes, CCM's poor incompetent management system had played an immense role that vented up that frustration in the leading months to that scandal (and this is what I heavily emphasize on my other posts, as it's arguably the biggest factor), but that does not make it a legitimate excuse to defend the group for what happened at late July. That's like saying it's okay for me to punch someone in the face because he called me a lazy ass in class.
It's understandable, but in the end, it was still very poor conduct in regards to their career and a decision that still opened Pandora's Box, regardless of apology.
This is something what the fandom tends to overlook or downplay.
Secondly, I find it difficult to believe that Hwayoung is one at more fault - what exactly was her 'fault'? Disobeying CCM's protocol that you have to perform regardless of injury or not? I recommend you klee95's post somewhere in the Discussons Forum from 2012 regarding the whole 'Hwayoung is at fault' notion. In any case that you bring up the 'but Jiyeon, Soyeon and Eunjung performed when they had injuries!' excuse that some fans in the past had brought up, that doesn't make a valid excuse either.
The idol life is physically and mentally demanding as hell - as far as I'm concerned, forcing/demanding or even expecting someone to perform on stage when they have a cast that immobilizes you is no different to making a soldier with badly broken arms do 40 pushups and 20 pullups for daily morning PT or running 2.4km within 10 minutes with a broken foot.
nd holding onto such a common problem like that and blaming everything on their heads is just bullsh*t. Totally hypocritical. If you say that's a traditional thing to do in Korea then I have nothing else to say. The people there are sick.To understand the full length of it, one has also to take account of how things are taken into view there as well. Applying your own culture or personal standards 100% on an incident that occurred thousands of miles offshore....probably not the most rational take in the full scale of things, imo. Perhaps it's because I'm Korean myself that has experienced both the country's general culture and that of a Western country, hence reluctant at best to pick a side and a lot less sensitive about it, unlike most people within the i-fandom part of K-pop (in fact, I'd say vast cultural barriers are precisely why the K-fandoms and I-fandoms of a lot of idol groups will never get along very well).
I'm in no way saying what T-ara's antis/haters and critics say is 100% right (nor have I ever stated this), but it was five of the then-eight members that effectively fired the shots when they had option of doing it in a much more rational manner that would have led to much better results for everyone involved. But that did not happen, and it's a cruel memory they have to live with regardless of what everyone says. That is the reality.
The real tragedy for the group is that it was an incident that could have easily been contained if cooler heads prevailed.
If you have a serious problem with the people that don't like T-ara, here's my personal advice;
Pretend they don't exist.
It works, but for some reason, a lot of people within T-ara's fandom (and just about every other fandom actually) showed to be very incapable of such a very easy and simple task. I suggest you take that to heart. SNSD's fandom had went through worse, with the whole black ocean incident at the 2008 Dream Concert and having an actual anti-fan organization called 'STAND' that was pretty much hellbent on taking them down - yet, no attention was paid to it by the fandom for the most part, and STAND ultimately became defunct in early 2012.
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I dont believe that whole bullying thing i think thats nonsense constructed by peoples imagination, The basic impression i got from watching old T-ara videos and was that Hwayoung was simply an outcast in the group (as in she didnt click with the girls). This was confirmed in my head by jiyeons comment "she might have had trouble adjusting". But i mean It was easy for me to pick up on anyway since i myself was an outcast in groups and classes often growing up. Those times were very painful for me so it was also painful to watch aswell, felt like i was reliving it i felt bad for her.
However I dont blame the T-ara members for her being an outcast because it simply is not their fault that their personalities didn't match up, and i believe that they did try their best to make her included based on what i saw. But theres only so much you can do if its just not ment to be
I like Hwayoung, i will support her in her future endeavours.
I take it you're not well-versed in the topic of 'bullying' in Korea.
What the girls did in Twitter, was undeniably wrong and it showed everyone their...'unkindly' side, and people do have the right to be suspicious of them in TV. Being an 'outcast' in Korea usually translates to being bullied (whether through physical or verbal abuse or being ostracized) - which in any case, the term of it would be wangdda/왕따, and from that, Hwayoung fitted that term just right.
Even if their personalities didn't match, the group could have at least kept things professional and not resort to hostile behavior in public. This is what the group themselves admitted last year, and do regret (though for whatever blasted reason, some fans seem to think they were never in the wrong and act like they are 100% angels from heaven), and in the long run, effectively put a curse on themselves. You don't see other groups doing what they did when they go through member lineups, conflicts or have members that contrast with one another.
Bluntly put, everyone has their own fault. Nobody is clean in that incident at all, contrary to what fans and antis alike claim.
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[14.05.26]
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@Uncle fan
It is necessary to mention when discussion becomes of what is the main player of T-ara's image downfall.
I don't disagree with you that the media has certain amount of influence, and there's plenty of examples of it playing a major role in breaking and making careers - I've mentioned myself that it is one of the two bigger players that effectively threw T-ara right at the trashcan for the sake of viewer ratings.
At that time however, what the media did during that scandal was openly report what CCM had stated in its disastrous PR press conferences more than anything else, considering KKS himself basically had reporters from every newspaper imaginable right in front of his eyes. Had the latter avoided that (or at least had someone with more tact doing it), the media wouldn't have been extremely active at the time. It doesn't help that the company's conferences at the time, by feeding the media, pretty much engaged in an extremely dirty mud-slinging campaign against Hwayoung and using T-ara as a shield to avoid public scrutiny (or rather, dampen it) against the company itself.
The media at the time was pretty much invited to play its part.
Using Newsen as a 'pro-T-ara' propaganda outlet didn't help things one bit either, as it was used to bash other idol groups at the time of T-ara promoting SL. Later on in 2013, the CCM itself goes to restrict the press in what it's allowed to write in respect to T-ara, and winded up antagonizing one outlet up to the point it actually resorted to open threats.
That being said, I rest my case on this.
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Thinking back to the J-version of TTL, I think it's actually not a bad idea to have Boram be given a bit more 'rapper' training....
As @phuctha91 has mentioned, now that I look at their live rapping perfs, Hyomin and Eunjung for a lot of the time sound forced, but also really out of breath almost up to the point it looks like they even struggle at times.
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Not so sure but YaYaYa and BPBP are fine to me, Wae Ireoni, too. I sing along and dance to those songs unknowingly everyday. It's fun and mood boosting. I don't think too much. I must be the only one here thinks so LOL.
Dang, I'd so buy you a beer for even being able to bear Y3 lol.
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There are some pics of Jiyeon with her parents and her dad showed up to a fan-meet once in summer of 2011. If you search her individual forum and pre-debut pics topic you can find some.
I don't know a lot about Hyomin's parents actually.. and Boram's as you know are famous. We have subbed two episodes of Wooram Family Camp show with her dad and sister Wooram. She's been in a CF with them as well and he was in their Roly-Poly MV. Boram has also done some interviews with her mom which we have translated I know (text interviews).
By any chance, wasn't it 2012? IIRC, the girls were at a fan-sign event at summer 2012 (or late spring, can't remember the approximate season) and Jiyeon's dad showed up unexpectedly, at which it was also claimed that it was the first time she saw him in six months or around that.
As for Hyomin - no detailed info currently exists regarding her parents even on her Naver profile. Now that I think of it, they've been the most low-profile out of all the members' parents so far. She did mention at a talk show that she rarely gets to talk to them even when she's home, though that was 2 years ago.
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[14.05.26]
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@Uncle_fan - I strongly beg to differ there.
If you are a fan who feels obligated to point out the "sad truth" then you are not being supportive.It's called being realistic.
Idol groups don't last forever, and this is an obvious fact that's been proven by history itself. There have been groups in the past in Korea whose fandoms were numerous times bigger and supportive than T-ara's and even SNSD's to a degree, but they disbanded and went their own ways. Some simply became a shadow of their former glory (i.e. Shinhwa, G.O.D and likely Buzz).
No, the T-ara we have loved in the beginning will not be back. A sweet and special thing has been crushed beneath the boot heel of the media in its ever desperate desire to find a story and sensationalize it. They are victims and if they want to survive in the industry in any form they will have to play
a different hand. This is when we see the tenacity and character of these ladies. They refuse to give up. They take up the challenge of all of the nay-sayers who predict the rapid collapse of the hallyu wave and make every effort using any and every skill they have to keep it going through the rough times. No, kpop cannot always stay the same if it wants to survive. It has changed over the last several years so that it can remain active. Any art form will do that. It has to in order to survive. It is people like T-ara who will be the Lee Hyori of tomorrow. Because she didn't give up, she is bigger than ever. Because T-ara will not give up, they will become bigger than ever. Wishful thinking? No. Positive thinking. If the fans cannot be positive and supportive and willing to embrace new and different concepts, then how can these ladies be expected to survive? I firmly believe that their agenda is to divide and conquer and then regroup.
1) If CCM actually learnt how to do proper PR, then the media wouldn't have been going on a reporting spree and the catastrophe could actually have been better contained and had a smaller impact on T-ara's image. Blaming it all on the media is just plain ignorance and only breaking the tip of the iceberg.
2) Who's 'they'? You make it sound like the group endured it all out of their own sheer willpower without taking in the factor of management. In case you've forgotten or simply never knew, regardless if they wanted to give up or not, they were in absolutely no position to do anything out of their own choice. Kim Kwangsoo as early as 2011 had made it fairly clear that idols should never ever go up against their company regardless of reason, and is not afraid of making it extremely difficult for those who do so in a rather appalling manner - Nam Gyuri and Hwayoung are two major example.
Bluntly put, CCM has a gun put up right behind their heads 24/7. Seriously, there are way too many fans who literally either deny, fail to acknowledge or remain ignorant of this, while putting all the blame on the media and Korea's online community. It's rather distasteful whitewashing, at best and at worst, makes them no better than the other side, if not even more so by making everything so black-and-white.
T-ara doesn't have full power over what they want to decide in regards to their careers whether as a group or individual, as with many other idols.
3) Lee Hyori didn't grow bigger because she didn't 'give up'. She was already fairly well-known as early as her days in FinK.L. though today, is nowhere near as popular as she was back in her primal years. Just like many other older celebrities.
4) You're basically saying fans should be mindless drones that should accept and support everything the group does. If that's what you think fans should do, then it's no different to saying we should support CCM.
5) A fan is someone who stays with their celebrity because they simply like said celebrity in whatever way he/she interprets it to be. The definition of fan, is very debatable. As far as T-ara is concerned, there are fans who like them for their looks, fans who like them for their personalities, fans who like them for their music etc. It's all split, and the word 'fan' is what keeps them together in one spot as a community. Not a group that basically says 'T-ARA STRONG!!!!!!' all the time.
6) CCM obviously never really considered fans to be of much importance anyway. Back in 2012, there was quite a bit of worries/concerns that T-ara was being severely overworked, in poor health (in Boram's case, specifically) and the whole new member debate + KKS's public threats against the group. These concerns, were either flat-out ignored or met with a rather lackluster response, which pretty much says the company doesn't give a damn about our opinions so long as they can make a quick buck out of our wallets even if it means having to overwork the group to extremely unhealthy lengths (which they already have plenty of times).
If their agency can't even respect fans even if its valid concerns, then that makes supporting the group a little bit difficult, at least for me anyway.
7) Whether you like it or not, the Hallyu Wave cannot sustain on being more reliant on K-pop. It doesn't help that the music industry in Korea is utterly corrupted to the core along with the filming industry, yet the K-government is trying to export it as some kind of brand of perfect lala-land lollipop.
Secondly, contrary to what you claim, K-pop has been largely the same for the last several years. Ever since 2010 (if not 2009, arguably), the music industry's been badly over-saturated with cookie cutter idol groups that are basically knock-off versions of the more successful groups and has become extremely reliant on idol groups for revenue, and this shows absolutely no sign of slowing down anytime soon.
If anything, at its current rate, K-pop has already shot itself in the foot in the long-term. There are no potential successors of the mega- groups like SNSD, 2NE1, Big Bang, DBSK etc. and the 'mid-tier' groups like After-School, SECRET, SISTAR etc. either don't have large enough fandoms, labels with abundant resources or staying power to replace them once they disband.
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[14.05.26]
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Exactly. thank you, couldn't say it better myself :3 Also good point on the gaming industry which is on the rise and going strong since 2012.
I advocate the fandoms should petition to the game developer and publisher companies in Korea to make specific T-ara skins in their RPG and FPS games, similar to Sudden Attack in 2012 :3
Just slap on some camo fatigues, combat boots, bulletproof vests, berets or field caps, sunglasses and utility belt or webbing, and it's all set >:-D
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[14.05.26]
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Either the author of the article is a huge, huge fan of the group, was paid a good sum of cash by CCM to write this up or it's a mix of both. It just reeks of it.
As for people claiming T-ara won't be going away anytime soon - we'll see what happens after 3 years at the very least. Admittedly, I personally thought that the group wouldn't last beyond 2014/2015 but by the looks of it ,that does not appear to be the case (so long as they continue on as they are going now), but to think they'll be staying as a group in the long-term is extremely wishful thinking. From that logic, you could probably say the same for SNSD, but even they're not likely to stay as they are now in say, the next 6 years and plus.
Even the 1st gen groups that had fandoms that outsized the ones of many popular groups today (like SISTAR) ultimately became history. If anyone's going to bring up Shinhwa, be noted that the group had times of extensive inactivity, especially when you count their conscription service.
The whole 'going solo' trend has been going on for some time now, and T-ara's not an exception + it's more of an indicator that the members are exploring what career they want when they either decide to leave on their own accord (or against their will) or when T-ara disbands in its current lineup.
They sure as hell won't be staying as the idols we've known since 2009. That's for sure,.
I do agree with "to split is to survive”, but I do not agree with "To unite is to die"
With each member having their own individual activities they do not only make a living, but also
market T-ARA through various directions, which means more publicity and more interest.
But they will not die as they unite, because the problem is not in T-ARA!
The problem lies at the korean citizen and netizen! It's their culture and acting that makes T-ARA seem lifeless in Korea.
As we all can see that, that's not the deal in other countries!
But even though they yet haven't won their #1 after the incident, they do rank high at the charts.
And I really do not think "This is the last chance for each member to display their individual charisma."
T-ARA and the members will live long, in the business, even if the public don't accept their recent works, they eventually will!
T-ARA stands firm, and will comeback as the #1 girl-group!
And I will wait for that day!
Er, what? For some reason, a lot of people (and i-fans in general) seem to have this weird mythological belief that Korea's public and online community is to blame for the whole thing.
Anyone with even a modicum of brains can easily tell that the Korean media and CCM are the ones that played the biggest role in T-ara's crash-and-burn incident, especially considering both used the group as a scapegoat (whether intentionally or unintentionally) to further their own agendas regarding that mess, despite the immense long-term consequences it would bring forth. The public and online community simply bought it, and are the product of as a result of piss-poor management within the press and the company that went on for the the rest of 2012 and 2013.
They are a massively over-exaggerated mythical threat. While you can throw out the 'but other countries don't care!' card, but be reminded that still to this day and in the future, T-ara is in the end, a Korean group in a Korean company that is still more reliant on money from Korean fans than anywhere else, and their main source of popularity (or what's left of it) is in Korea, a tiny country with 50 million people that have extremely fast access to the internet anywhere they go.
And no, T-ara won't be 'staying long' in the business. That's just wishful thinking.
They're very well received in other countries, and the Korean government / media would be a fool to ignore that fact. They need to respect their talent and stop undermining groups if they want to keep Hallyu Wave from dying.
It's already dying, bro :3 IIRC, K-pop has been on a 'decline' in Japan since last year (even SM has admitted a decline in sales at the time), which isn't really good news since a massive portion of its overseas revenue happens to be from Japan, adding that it coincides with the fact that the number of visiting Japanese tourists has also declined significantly too, which is...not so great for the Hallyu Wave itself as well as the tourism industry .
The K-govt and media aren't exactly the brightest crayons in the box, nor are really appearing to be particularly innovative in trying to solve the issue (the same could also be said of K-pop labels too). At best, it'll probably end up hitting niche audiences, similar to Japan's pop culture has though still heavily reliant on domestic sales.
The only industry that's doing extremely well in the Hallyu Wave and faces zero danger of declining in the foreseeable future is the gaming industry (in spite of the ridiculous regulations slapped on it), backed up by that it makes way more revenue than music does by several times the amount, appealing to a much broader audience and a far bigger 'social equalizer'.
IMO, the Hallyu Wave in the future will very likely become more and more focused on gaming and other forms of entertainment while music falls from the priority list (of course, this also means the govt will likely need new leaders to support this too, rather than the current lot that are incapable of looking at things in the long-term). Music and films were the biggest players of soft-power in the 20th century....gaming will likely completely overtake the soft-power expansion in this century.
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^ 토토로 = Totoro
Photo was taken at Chungnam (slang for South Chungchung Province), Buyeo County (fun fact - also the most richest province in all of Korea)
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This was kinda expected really. Anyone following K-pop would know that the Korean government has pretty.....weird regulations on certain things. But then again, you can't expect much from a nanny state that is incapable of getting its priorities straight.
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^ Probably so. Broadcasting stations in Korea are cancelling out every show related to the showbiz and focusing almost entirely on the incident as of now. It's major breaking news there at the moment.
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Adding on at that, they didn't sound particularly *that* good on live either. Folks like MC Sniper can actually put up a really solid performance on live without breaking a sweat; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPY2BtrjKdE
The question would be just how good those lyrics are, since that's pretty much a universal thing required for K-rappers (to my knowledge anyway). There's a lot of rich material out there among K-rappers that's some really great work that their idol counterparts can only dream of ever catching up to (MC Sniper is considered one of them, this being one example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tW3pbebp3A).
Personally, I always ask myself why K-pop groups even have rappers at all XD. Never mind that weird requirement of deliberately making their voice deep to sound more legitimate.
As far as BTS goes, had to look up on a live perf to judge lol. I can't say it's really anything impressive, though their lead rapper definitely is much better than say, anyone who raps in Super Junior, DBSK's Yunho, or pretty much the bulk of boy groups out there. For Taewoon, he sounded a bit off in some of his group's lives, though then again, it's not like everything's gonna fit for him. That being said, just like BTS's rapper, hell lot better than any of the K-pop rappers out there, aside from his brother XD.
Now that I think about it, it's kinda wasteful that he's in a group that isn't gonna be going anywhere, not to mention being in an agency of terrible reputation and competence.
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Not to be of any offense, but calling them rappers is stretching it.
Generally speaking, K-pop rappers - particularly those in idol groups - aren't really considered actual rappers. The only ones who are exempt from it would be Zico from Block B, Bang Yongguk from BAP and Miryo from Brown Eyed Girls, and that's because they actually know how to rap, know how to write their own stuff and have had real experience prior to actually debuting.
Not even G-Dragon and TOP are considered so. In fact, you could even say that aside from the 3 mentioned above, all the 'rappers' of K-pop idol groups are more along the lines of fast-rhythmic talkers than rappers.
As far as female rappers go, you got Tasha/Yoon Mirae, Gilme, E.via, Choi Sam and the list goes on. If you think Eunjung, Areum, Hwayoung etc rap like machine guns, then the others rap like this :3
This is what is called and considered female K-rapping;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nxqHHCPQNY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM0ed7pNFKo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VVHTh_2yas
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very clarifying. i believe that this is one of the saddest stories in kpop. It shows how a community with mob mentality (knetz and western counterparts) can literally tear apart an amazing and promising career. I'm glad that t-ara is alive and kicking, but sad that they've lost their status of top group (if i'm not mistaken), 'cause they deserve to be THE top female group (along with SNSD, let's be fair).
To be frank, this kind of scandal was quite inevitable actually. CCM's ridiculously tarded management - especially with grossly overworking the group (even more than SNSD, arguably), as well as the controversial plan of adding 2 unneeded members - was bound to cause some ruckus into the working environment. Result is that Twitter schwack and things got nuked. Ultimately, what gave antis the fuel was CCM's extremely poor handling of the situation, subsequently leading to the group's image being smashed apart.
With an agency like that in the scenario the scandal didn't happen, T-ara achieving the status of 'top tier' among K-pop girl groups would have at best lasted only a short while or simply came up short. CCM was almost too entirely reliant on short-term successes of the group (aka a massive number of promotions), something not even SM did with SNSD, or nowhere near as intensely.
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See: BoA (Not an exceptional singer like you two suggest needed to become a solo act), Hyuna, Lee Hyori (this is even more relevant as Lee Hyori was in Fin.K.L and she wasn't even the standout of them), Jay Park, J.Y.P, Simon D, literally everyone.
You should NOT be judging idols on how well they sing, they're idols after all. Soyeon is in no way T-ara's best performer, she has her moments, like when she's given vocal lines and allowed to demonstrate her capability, but she is not the best performer. "a poor performer(in a group not known for being particulary good at either)." that line was so confusing, but I'm going to take it at face value.
Y'all should check out the Nine Muses idol documentary, btw. It gives you insight into this industry, and makes you see what idols actually go through, and have to live through. Kind of sad, esp thinking about how CCM treats them.
(I was upset when watching Hello Baby and seeing how small their vocal practice room was T_T)
There is a very strong difference to a solo that rises up thanks to their label's influence and power, and one that goes up based on their skill/talent (and being less reliant on it). It's impossible to see people like Jay Park or Hyuna becoming long-time solos like some I have mentioned above, nor do they show any capability of improving - after all, it can be seen with Lee Hyori, who's essentially nowhere near as active as she used to be in the past and will become more inactive as time flies.
BoA is also well headed to that route.
Not to mention those 4 were paired with SuperNova, the literal reason they got famous.Supernova wasn't exactly well-known in Korea, considering they were overshadowed by groups like DBSK, Super Junior, Big Bang before T-ara was formed. T-ara's fame blew up there simply because the song was well-received in general. Not because of Supernova. There's a reason why the group promotes far more in Japan than Korea and has been doing so for years.
T-ara not known for being preformers? You lost me, T-ara is literally all performances, for the EXACT reason you mentioned: not one of them has standout vocals. The reason they made it this far hasn't been on any members efforts alone. The reason T-ara got popular was was SoJiEunMin,Which also means it hurts the chances of those that want to be long-term solos in the music scene - which, would be Soyeon's case. Even for an idol group, their live performances are very well-known to be quite lackluster, nor does it help that a gunk of their promoted songs (IGCBOY, LTFT, Roly Poly, BPBP, Sexy Love, Lovey Dovey and so on) are very autotuned and make them sound like chipmunks.
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precisely. Members going solo is not a new thing. Groups have done it before them and remained together. For all we know the girls might be seeing how it feels to promote alone so that they are prepared if and when T-ara disbands
anyone can be a solo artist tbh. Hyomin has shown she can sing with the Immortal Singer appearances with Eunjung. I really liked Jiyeon's solo single in Banisuta. You don't have to have really good vocals to release a song. Otherwise Hyuna would be just a rapper in 4Minute and Sunmi would be in school right now. It's the song's quality that matters so I'm putting my faith on producers who have put out good songs before.
I'd have to strongly disagree.
Hyuna is a terrible example, since talent-wise she's very mediocre at best and outright bad at worst (especially with rapping and 'singing', if at all of the latter). This is something that is very much well-accepted among many, aside from maybe her fans. Just because they've had a couple of solo shots in the past does not mean they can be an actual solo, yet alone one whose talent is pretty much acknowledged or have potential in the future (especially in Jiyeon's case - considering none of the OSTs she's done have ever been sung live, and she was less-than-mediocre when performing with Soyeon's one for the movie Death Bell 2).
There's a very distinct line between a solo who has the serious talent and capability of becoming one acknowledged of his/her skill and one that hugely relies on fandom and company power to achieve acknowledged solo status but having considerably less skill. Actual solos, at least in Korea, would be folks like Gummy, Cho Youngpil, Lee Seungchul etc.
I can sort of dig Hyomin having her own album. Excluding Soyeon she's tied with Eunjung as T-ara's best, as far as I'm concerned anyway, and she's also a decent rapper, so she's worth something at least(better choice than Jiyeon anyway). Though I kind of hate Brave Brothers so my enthusiasm isn't really through the roof.
Fully agreed with you there except this bit :3
As a casual K-hiphop fan/listener, Hyomin cannot be considered a rapper ><
[SPAZZ] Is this real or made up?
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This part alone should give more than enough reason to believe it's fake. Don't think any idol of any group would likely say to their fans in front of their faces that said group will be 'forever'.