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Aite guys and girls, I just went through the whole vid (robbe_881 - thank you very much for providing the HD version ) and while I can't provide a full translation due to the length of the footage, I'll describe this out as best as I can (for those asking, I'm Korean here so the language is no barrier to me at all, though the music background could have been lower in audio so I may have not heard everything correctly - or maybe my speakers are just...well, ah whatever).
I really must say, I'm terribly sad to tell those who were expecting the girls to come forward regarding the scandal had expected too much. In fact, the first half of the video had nothing to do with 'confession' at all and was more set to their showcase in Malaysia.
When the group were altogether in the hotel room (after the ad break) where the subject regarding that mess was talked about, Hwayoung herself was not even directly mentioned and they were actually very, very vague as to what occurred and even then, spent a great deal of the second half of the show mostly talking about themselves and the group as a whole.
What Soyeon did however, admit (note - this has little to nothing to do with the scandal) is that way back in the BPBP days, the group was particularly starved and forced into something that may be seen as a severe diet up to the point that when other idols or singers that were their seniors (in terms of how long they were in the industry) usually left behind leftovers after performances, the girls actually grabbed as much as they could - particularly snacks and gimbap, shoved such food in their pockets and even ate them in the toilets to avoid getting caught.
That....is pretty darn nasty. When Areum says that what she's going through doesn't even amount to even one bit of what T-ara had to go through since debut, Soyeon then lets out that there were quite a lot of moments that the members cried.
Basically, the title of the show 'Confession' is rather quite misleading. In fact, none of the members look even willing to spill anything in detail at all - in other words, what exactly transpired. I'd even go to say it did little to nothing to actually contradict what antis, netizens believe.
And why? The most likely reason is that what they say is being filtered and monitored by a certain someone (no prizes to guessing who that is). CCM is part of Mnet Media itself (and Mnet Channel is the one broadcasting this) - there's no way they'd let anything in detail be told at all, no matter how much T-ara wants to speak out for themselves without internal consequences.
All in all, it's rather disappointing, even for me who didn't expect much out of it.
If anyone wants to ask for more details of what they said, feel free to PM me.
Thanks!
Edit: I also forgot to mention this - the members, Hyomin and Soyeon in particular, have said that they're worried for us fans as well. Whether if they actually know how divided the fandom has become or simply that they're concerned with the crap we had to pull over with from antis or netizens as a whole is debatable, as they were quite vague with this too.

Aite guys and girls, I just went through the whole vid (robbe_881 - thank you very much for providing the HD version ) and while I can't provide a full translation due to the length of the footage, I'll describe this out as best as I can (for those asking, I'm Korean here so the language is no barrier to me at all, though the music background could have been lower in audio so I may have not heard everything correctly - or maybe my speakers are just...well, ah whatever).
I really must say, I'm terribly sad to tell those who were expecting the girls to come forward regarding the scandal had expected too much. In fact, the first half of the video had nothing to do with 'confession' at all and was more set to their showcase in Malaysia.
When the group were altogether in the hotel room (after the ad break) where the subject regarding that mess was talked about, Hwayoung herself was not even directly mentioned and they were actually very, very vague as to what occurred and even then, spent a great deal of the second half of the show mostly talking about themselves and the group as a whole.
What Soyeon did however, admit (note - this has little to nothing to do with the scandal) is that way back in the BPBP days, the group was particularly starved and forced into something that may be seen as a severe diet up to the point that when other idols or singers that were their seniors (in terms of how long they were in the industry) usually left behind leftovers after performances, the girls actually grabbed as much as they could - particularly snacks and gimbap, shoved such food in their pockets and even ate them in the toilets to avoid getting caught.
That....is pretty darn nasty. When Areum says that what she's going through doesn't even amount to even one bit of what T-ara had to go through since debut, Soyeon then lets out that there were quite a lot of moments that the members cried.
Basically, the title of the show 'Confession' is rather quite misleading. In fact, none of the members look even willing to spill anything in detail at all - in other words, what exactly transpired. I'd even go to say it did little to nothing to actually contradict what antis, netizens believe.
And why? The most likely reason is that what they say is being filtered and monitored by a certain someone (no prizes to guessing who that is). CCM is part of Mnet Media itself (and Mnet Channel is the one broadcasting this) - there's no way they'd let anything in detail be told at all, no matter how much T-ara wants to speak out for themselves without internal consequences.
All in all, it's rather disappointing, even for me who didn't expect much out of it.
If anyone wants to ask for more details of what they said, feel free to PM me.
Thanks!
Edit: I also forgot to mention this - the members, Hyomin and Soyeon in particular, have said that they're worried for us fans as well. Whether if they actually know how divided the fandom has become or simply that they're concerned with the crap we had to pull over with from antis or netizens as a whole is debatable, as they were quite vague with this too.

Aite guys and girls, I just went through the whole vid (robbe_881 - thank you very much for providing the HD version ) and while I can't provide a full translation due to the length of the footage, I'll describe this out as best as I can (for those asking, I'm Korean here so the language is no barrier to me at all, though the music background could have been lower in audio so I may have not heard everything correctly - or maybe my speakers are just...well, ah whatever).
I really must say, I'm terribly sad to tell those who were expecting the girls to come forward regarding the scandal had expected too much. In fact, the first half of the video had nothing to do with 'confession' at all and was more set to their showcase in Malaysia.
When the group were altogether in the hotel room (after the ad break) where the subject regarding that mess was talked about, Hwayoung herself was not even directly mentioned and they were actually very, very vague as to what occurred and even then, spent a great deal of the second half of the show mostly talking about themselves and the group as a whole.
What Soyeon did however, admit (note - this has little to nothing to do with the scandal) is that way back in the BPBP days, the group was particularly starved and forced into something that may be seen as a severe diet up to the point that when other idols or singers that were their seniors (in terms of how long they were in the industry) usually left behind leftovers after performances, the girls actually grabbed as much as they could - particularly snacks and gimbap, shoved such food in their pockets and even ate them in the toilets to avoid getting caught.
That....is pretty darn nasty. When Areum says that what she's going through doesn't even amount to even one bit of what T-ara had to go through since debut, Soyeon then lets out that there were quite a lot of moments that the members cried.
Basically, the title of the show 'Confession' is rather quite misleading. In fact, none of the members look even willing to spill anything in detail at all - in other words, what exactly transpired. I'd even go to say it did little to nothing to actually contradict what antis, netizens believe.
And why? The most likely reason is that what they say is being filtered and monitored by a certain someone (no prizes to guessing who that is). CCM is part of Mnet Media itself (and Mnet Channel is the one broadcasting this) - there's no way they'd let anything in detail be told at all, no matter how much T-ara wants to speak out for themselves without internal consequences.
All in all, it's rather disappointing, even for me who didn't expect much out of it.
If anyone wants to ask for more details of what they said, feel free to PM me.
Thanks!
Edit: I also forgot to mention this - the members, Hyomin and Soyeon in particular, have said that they're worried for us fans as well. Whether if they actually know how divided the fandom has become or simply that they're concerned with the crap we had to pull over with from antis or netizens as a whole is debatable, as they were quite vague with this too.

I understand how you feel about the haters in AKP but honestly, there isn't much that can be done about that place. It's best to ignore the people there.
Besides, the fandom in general has been pissed off with CCM a LOT this year and the last thing they need to do is be concerned with a group of people behind the keyboard throwing mud all over the place. They're only going to laugh back at you if you fight back, hence creating a fanwar, something that isn't necessary at current.

T-ara's lifespan would be lucky to even break the infamous 5-year-curse >___> Supposedly, some of the members' contracts are expiring at some point next year (I suspect this may strongly apply to Boram and Qri in particular) and looking how overworked they've been this whole year, fans should really prepare themselves of the possibility that most of the current members will not continue on being in T-ara once those contracts expire.
Considering that CCM's future looks also awfully bleak and with its image completely tarnished in the eyes of the public, there's little reason for them to stay any longer. Davichi didn't renew their contracts with CCM for a good reason.
Dani's year of birth - 1999
Jiyeon's year of birth - 1993
A six year gap is nowhere near to 'almost the same age' at all.

I'm going to have to argue against this supposed belief that she's like a 'kid sister' to the current members, namely the original six. At an environment like Kpop, where the members themselves have been shoved down the belief that they're replaceable at a whim at any moment's glance (as it has occurred to Hwayoung), there is little to no reason for them to accept her at all in their own minds, especially considering they've worked tooth-and-nail for three years to get to where they are while being constantly threatened by their own boss and treated like lifeless robots.
For example, do you think the members of a military special forces unit would accept a raw fresh recruit with zero experience meddle along with them in operations? Hell no, unless the said recruit proves himself. Or for a more casual example, do you think a classroom o high school seniors in a typical Korean public school would accept a freshman simply because the principal ordered it? No.
And no, siblings don't necessarily 'share' their trophies either. I have a younger brother who's won a lot of trophies, medals, certificates and all that alike over the years and is highly proud of them - up to the point that he doesn't let anyone even lay a finger on them, much less take a photo with them. Why? Because I understand he worked his way up to achieve that and it's his to keep and his credit alone, his decision.

I couldn't agree any more with these three posts. At worst, I think fans should really start worrying about the possibility of T-ara taking AS or AKB-48's path. This is quite distressing really, adding in that they've been promoting far too much this year (possibly even more so than last year or at least in a comparable scale), it's just asking for another round of trips to the hospital.
Hell, they may be the most prone of all K-idol groups to hospital visits. Considering the current members are barely holding out with the amount of over-promotions, it makes no sense for someone twice as young as Boram and Qri to hold out any better.

T-ara's lifespan would be lucky to even break the infamous 5-year-curse >___> Supposedly, some of the members' contracts are expiring at some point next year (I suspect this may strongly apply to Boram and Qri in particular) and looking how overworked they've been this whole year, fans should really prepare themselves of the possibility that most of the current members will not continue on being in T-ara once those contracts expire.
Considering that CCM's future looks also awfully bleak and with its image completely tarnished in the eyes of the public, there's little reason for them to stay any longer. Davichi didn't renew their contracts with CCM for a good reason.
Dani's year of birth - 1999
Jiyeon's year of birth - 1993
A six year gap is nowhere near to 'almost the same age' at all.

I couldn't agree any more with these three posts. At worst, I think fans should really start worrying about the possibility of T-ara taking AS or AKB-48's path. This is quite distressing really, adding in that they've been promoting far too much this year (possibly even more so than last year or at least in a comparable scale), it's just asking for another round of trips to the hospital.
Hell, they may be the most prone of all K-idol groups to hospital visits. Considering the current members are barely holding out with the amount of over-promotions, it makes no sense for someone twice as young as Boram and Qri to hold out any better.

I couldn't agree any more with these three posts. At worst, I think fans should really start worrying about the possibility of T-ara taking AS or AKB-48's path. This is quite distressing really, adding in that they've been promoting far too much this year (possibly even more so than last year or at least in a comparable scale), it's just asking for another round of trips to the hospital.
Hell, they may be the most prone of all K-idol groups to hospital visits. Considering the current members are barely holding out with the amount of over-promotions, it makes no sense for someone twice as young as Boram and Qri to hold out any better.

Considering that KKS's statements contradicted one after the other so many times while keeping the members quiet until it was a tad a bit too late with the damage already being done (not to mention their comeback was rushed and it showed that CCM had absolute disregard for public opinion - which is idiotic because this is how K-culture is - you apologize and keep your head down immediately regardless if you're in the right or wrong, something CCM failed to do), y'all can't expect the netizens to be very forgiving, yet alone the public in general.
What I'd be more concerned is that this whole thing is broadcasted by Mnet, in which CCM is part of and no prizes to guessing who's in charge of both. People that are not fans will be highly suspicious about the whole thing being filtered in KKS's favor, considering that K-public attitude towards T-ara as a whole is still not very warm at the moment and it can't be denied that he'll take whatever steps to play that down (something in which CCM is notorious with over the years).

I couldn't agree any more with these three posts. At worst, I think fans should really start worrying about the possibility of T-ara taking AS or AKB-48's path. This is quite distressing really, adding in that they've been promoting far too much this year (possibly even more so than last year or at least in a comparable scale), it's just asking for another round of trips to the hospital.
Hell, they may be the most prone of all K-idol groups to hospital visits. Considering the current members are barely holding out with the amount of over-promotions, it makes no sense for someone twice as young as Boram and Qri to hold out any better.

I couldn't agree any more with these three posts. At worst, I think fans should really start worrying about the possibility of T-ara taking AS or AKB-48's path. This is quite distressing really, adding in that they've been promoting far too much this year (possibly even more so than last year or at least in a comparable scale), it's just asking for another round of trips to the hospital.
Hell, they may be the most prone of all K-idol groups to hospital visits. Considering the current members are barely holding out with the amount of over-promotions, it makes no sense for someone twice as young as Boram and Qri to hold out any better.

I couldn't agree any more with these three posts. At worst, I think fans should really start worrying about the possibility of T-ara taking AS or AKB-48's path. This is quite distressing really, adding in that they've been promoting far too much this year (possibly even more so than last year or at least in a comparable scale), it's just asking for another round of trips to the hospital.
Hell, they may be the most prone of all K-idol groups to hospital visits. Considering the current members are barely holding out with the amount of over-promotions, it makes no sense for someone twice as young as Boram and Qri to hold out any better.

I couldn't agree any more with these three posts. At worst, I think fans should really start worrying about the possibility of T-ara taking AS or AKB-48's path. This is quite distressing really, adding in that they've been promoting far too much this year (possibly even more so than last year or at least in a comparable scale), it's just asking for another round of trips to the hospital.
Hell, they may be the most prone of all K-idol groups to hospital visits. Considering the current members are barely holding out with the amount of over-promotions, it makes no sense for someone twice as young as Boram and Qri to hold out any better.

I'm sorry but why does she think she holds the right to hold it. Fair enough she's supposedly a T-ara member now but she has done NOTHING to benefit the group as of now. She should let her debut do the talking and not freaking selcas.

I couldn't agree any more with these three posts. At worst, I think fans should really start worrying about the possibility of T-ara taking AS or AKB-48's path. This is quite distressing really, adding in that they've been promoting far too much this year (possibly even more so than last year or at least in a comparable scale), it's just asking for another round of trips to the hospital.
Hell, they may be the most prone of all K-idol groups to hospital visits. Considering the current members are barely holding out with the amount of over-promotions, it makes no sense for someone twice as young as Boram and Qri to hold out any better.

THIS.
The possibility of this being a publicity stunt is very likely, if not the actual intent of CCM. If anyone recalls, this is the very agency that seems to think any sort of publicity is good publicity, regardless of whatever consequences lie in wait for T-ara as a result of such. Adding in that it's Mnet that's broadcasting this makes it just as fishy.

I'm going into this fully expecting not to get any real details, or even anything close to the truth. I am worried however, that others are going in expecting a full detailed account of the true reasons Hwayoung was removed from the group and will just be further incensed when that doesn't happen.
Being a true realist, this seems as if it's a publicity stunt. Now that Korean promotions have ended and they'll be out of the limelight for a little while as they promote over seas, it seems like a pretty convenient time to release a mysterious program that promises to answer questions everyone had pretty much accepted they wouldn't be finding out the answer to. It lights the flames and gets people discussing T-ara for another few weeks.
Now with that said I do hope we get some real insight as to what the situation was and is, but I certainly won't let those hopes get too high and I suggest others follow suit.

5dolls and T-ara's Dani reveal cute selca "Uncle fans hypnotized"
Considering the awfully young age of Dani and Shannon, the title is rather...I don't know, disturbing or at least quite misleading when one looks at it.

Jesus Christ, sounds like it was one big major clusterf**k of a hellhole. The guy running Jazzy Group must be an ape lol >___>
Guess I'll stick with seeing them in Korea and double my efforts in try contacting my uncle to make it possible. Can't imagine having to get squeezed by a whole bunch of other people fighting over for even a glimpse of them. Yikes.
Y'all have my sympathy.

Having fans in Russia does not necessarily equate to being popular in Russia itself.

I really don't think this should come off as a surprise - after all, this is a drama production here. If someone's part of a nasty scandal, there's no doubt that the staff are bound to cut off all ends. Regardless of how 'greedy' of SBS for ratings and such, keep in mind that dramas are meant for entertaining the masses of viewers. Not pissing them off. I'd even say SBS is playing safe here and had it been any other group involved in such a scandal on par with what T-ara went through, it would be no different.
On the other hand, one should also note that at least Soyeon gets a lighter workload. Filming for a drama and doing performances for a song at the same time period is NOT easy and very taxing - Jiyeon can testify to that just fine.
I believe the difference between what Big Bang got in through in comparison with T-ara is that how the overall situation was handled regardless of the severity of the crime and double standards - I don't know enough about YG but Daesung stopped all activities for somewhere around half a year and went the usual path a celebrity would have done (apologize ASAP, followed by volunteer work) but in the case of T-ara, the apology came rather late and CCM's laughable statements didn't help one bit except make them receive a further amount of public anger.
Personally, I still think there's a certain chance that some form of bullying (or rather outcasting/ostracising) may have occurred a while back. As you mentioned in your articles, they've been put in a hellish work environment and the only crook responsible for that is none other than KKS.

I wonder what cards CCM is playing now. It's hard for me to believe this decision is made solely by Eunjung.

I really don't think this should come off as a surprise - after all, this is a drama production here. If someone's part of a nasty scandal, there's no doubt that the staff are bound to cut off all ends. Regardless of how 'greedy' of SBS for ratings and such, keep in mind that dramas are meant for entertaining the masses of viewers. Not pissing them off. I'd even say SBS is playing safe here and had it been any other group involved in such a scandal on par with what T-ara went through, it would be no different.
On the other hand, one should also note that at least Soyeon gets a lighter workload. Filming for a drama and doing performances for a song at the same time period is NOT easy and very taxing - Jiyeon can testify to that just fine.
I believe the difference between what Big Bang got in through in comparison with T-ara is that how the overall situation was handled regardless of the severity of the crime and double standards - I don't know enough about YG but Daesung stopped all activities for somewhere around half a year and went the usual path a celebrity would have done (apologize ASAP, followed by volunteer work) but in the case of T-ara, the apology came rather late and CCM's laughable statements didn't help one bit except make them receive a further amount of public anger.
Personally, I still think there's a certain chance that some form of bullying (or rather outcasting/ostracising) may have occurred a while back. As you mentioned in your articles, they've been put in a hellish work environment and the only crook responsible for that is none other than KKS.