Kerotan

Oh, I'm sorry...I'm just on edge right now. Thank you for the support, and it's nice to see that the fans are being understanding with each other. We all just need to lean on each other like I see so many doing, it really does help. Again, thank you.

It's funny, some of these longer posts like yours say things that I think are very important when viewing this whole situation, and I'm just hoping everyone is reading them all the way through. I agree we should all keep cool and be rational about all this. And I think your last part is hilarious, I wish I was in the Shoutbox yesterday.

I am trying REALLY REALLY REALLY hard not to post any comments and speculations about this matter before the "truth" which will be revealed tomorrow but I just can't.
I found it amusing how most of you are so analytical here. Whatever small trivial matters were even brought up i.e how Jiyeon didn't "interact" with Hwayoung when she was playing bowling and how she "insulted" Hwayoung when Hwayoung was reading a book in Star Life Theater. Oh, you guys forgot that Jiyeon called Hwayoung "Babo" in Pretty Boys Ep 10. I am sorry but I find all these to be normal for friends. Don't you have any friends who will ignore you when you talk too much or call you stupid when you are acting as one? Well, maybe all these normal situations don't apply to IDOLS who are deemed and portrayed to be PERFECT FLAWLESS GODDESS?
Anyway, I don't deny the fact that Hwayoung may seem to be not very close with the original T-ara and often seen to be isolated. But isn't it normal? Let's say in a group of friends, you have known A for 10 years and B for 5 years. A and B are still your friends but sometimes it's human behavior to lean towards people who have been through thick and thin with you and people who understand you very very well. That's EunJiMin for me. And when someone enters your "circle" (Hwayoung), of course you will find it hard to adjust initially but after all those years of being together, I am sure there will be a certain bond even if it's not that strong compared to the first few friends.
You guys forgot that Hyomin hugged Hwayoung for countless number of times, Jiyeon fed Hwayoung in Pretty Boys, Hwayoung hugged Jiyeon during One Million Quiz Show and Hwayoung danced in front of Jiyeon and finally hugged her during their fan club opening ceremony. I am sorry that I can only quote certain examples cause I don't normally follow all the "couplets" but you don't need to cause I am sure all of us or maybe most of us know and acknowledge all these interactions. If they are indeed faking all these moments, oh well T-ara deserves the Grammy Awards for Best Actress and Best Supporting Actress. What I want to say is some of you are digging those moments when EunJiMin were not interacting with Hwayoung but you guys neglect those moments when EunJiMin were having fun with Hwayoung.
I seriously have no idea how this topic of bullying came in and some of you are so quick in making judgement on EunJiMin and Hwayoung. I don't deny the fact that SOMETHING is going on but Hey, nothing is confirmed, yet. Call me delusional but before anything is confirmed, I wouldn't dare to mention anything like, "Hwayoung should be blamed" or "EunJiMin are just fake b!tches" or "Soyeon and Boram should have kept their mouth shut" because I am not in their shoes, I will never ever know the true situation and WHO AM I to judge them? As a fan? If you are disappointed in them, then stop being a fan and go find someone else to idolize.
Really had a fun time spazzing about the announcement on the 30th in the shoutbox yesterday. So by thinking positively, tomorrow's announcement will be either KKS announcing his marriage with Qri (ewww ...) or Boram/Qri/Soyeon getting married or Ji and Hwa doing a subunit or Queen Ice Qri as our new leader (YAY!!).
Everyone should just chillax. Drink a cup of coffee and PEACE.
EDIT : Happy 3rd Anniversary to T-ara !! May the years get longer.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking, too. Knowing CCM and their statements, there is a good chance absolutely nothing will be clarified, and it will be a bizarre excuse of some sort. Really, I think this whole situation is a result of terrible management.

Woo hoo hoo. Even I the big quitter couldn't stay away from this. It's my two gigantor cents time, so be fore-warned, I will be book-writing and all the chapters will be mixed up because I'll be jumping back and forth a lot, it's all aswim up in the head. So call me irresponsible (and whatever else) but it'll be a mess. And oh, the re-tread - I will try to quote and so on, but please bear with me on rehashing stuff. So no pressure to read this, it's more so that I can pretend to myself I was heard. And another thing, I'll fight hard to resist to urge to check back in, sorry, but I really, really do need to not get too into this. A part of me wants to get into this, but yeah.
But first, I quit being active here - and for a while, I couldn't deal with listening to T-ara songs either - but I'm still a fan, if you go to an older definition of that word, and not, like, what that seems to mean now. Not so old as "short for 'fanatic,'" but I'm boring you now.
So it's true that they're all living separately now? Like diviso et conquerrat, my stupid fake Latin for "divide and conquer." Perhaps Mr. Kim thought it would make it more difficult for them to coordinate in opposition to him, but now it looks like the collateral damage is more or less this situation. Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps.
I checked out Oniontaker's post on all this on his personal... tumblr? Anyway, some real comedy to be found in the rap coach guy's predicament. Of course, it's also sad, but hey, laughter makes you cry for a reason, right? Anyway, his subsequent responses to what has been going on has enough of the ring of truth for me, so I feel comfortable having a laugh about that working father's predicament.
For all you kids, remember to place all this outrage in the context of your own personal lives - like, you could talk about Hwayoung being (cyber-)bullied, about the antis bullying T-ara, you could even talk about the T-ara fans "bullying" this or that member, and then you could talk about people in your personal circles being bullied (or, those outside of your circles). Like, really, you hear something about someone you don't really know, "that kid," and suddenly you do meet that kid and you're on guard because "well, I have heard..." And et cetera. You've probably heard about this kind of thing somewhere, so just remember that this is an example of all that.
But yeah, I'm not taking a harsh stance on any of them because, hell, even with some of my disagreements with some of the T-ara members' decisions and their judgement, I've done like ish in my own lives, and under heaploads less pressure than they are and have been under. And another funny thing about all this stuff is in my small circle, watching Hwayoung and hearing about her contributing to the lyrics and all that, we were all joking about "The Rise of Hwayoung" and all. There's this little moment at the beginning of a perf, she steps up right in the beginning and the camera is low in front of her, there's a look (we called) exhilaration, a kind of nervous excitement. They're wearing blue, and I think it was two weeks ago now. Oh well.
More to the meat of the matter. First, a general insult of your choosing directed towards Mr. Kim. Yon chickens come home to roost, all that. Speaking of leadership (and you management-minded kids could learn something from this)... Mr. Kim sets the tone for his company. And for T-ara. He set the rules, both the written ones and the un-written ones based on the way he's dealt with them and with things, so he creates the culture in his house. You create tensions between people, talking about competing for places internally, and snap at people calling them lazy and unprofessional, and you create unrest and uncertainty with frequent changes and disregard for your people, what with the leader changes and all the work load. You create negativity. And you don't address that negativity, you just keep hounding people and pushing them, they still nurse that negativity, on top of all the new frustrations you add and the random stuff that happens in peoples' lives, hell, you wind up with angry people.
My small understanding of Hwayoung's entry into the group, Eunjung said something about being against adding new members initially - and then Hwayoung is added, Eunjung is deposed and replaced with Boram, who, it seems, can only be charitably called a figurehead leader, if any kind of leader at all. I was wondering what was going on with Soyeon's "rebellion," and I guess Mr. Kim's (assumed) long-term goal of undermining her influence by throwing her into a situation she couldn't deal with is coming to a head (to clarify, having her instigate a situation that would snowball with other pressures that were known to come, others known to be building, and then the unknown ones). You can only bank on other people's forbearance for so long.
Ah, anyway. The first little go-around of tweets (for reference I'll treat Oniontaker's material as the "authoritative" translation), could be taken as the usual "cheer up" stuff, but yeah, the implication behind claiming they were hacked statements cannot be ignored. Perhaps Soyeon at first treated it as the cheer up stuff at first, but then deleted her comment when she found out there was more going on - after all, even if we understand that she knows what's going on within the group, why couldn't she have just seen Hyomin's tweet and been all, "lets all work hard today as well?" I don't know, maybe using the word "difference" is just her quoting the original words Hyomin used - Hyomin was first, right? And then Boram too for that matter, the other post-deleter.
And, on the negative side, you could think Soyeon was at best being patronizing but supportive, or at worst fully on the bandwagon. Like if "difference in determination" was a phrase they'd used before and that Soyeon would have recognized... but if that's the case, see below about the other three.
Qri, thanks to Google translate, I know she and Boram were tweeting something about not having makeup on. There is humor everywhere. Ho ho ho, maybe, maybe it's like an inside "joke" between her and Boram going on about not having to be performers anymore? Is that me being a jerk? Stay in school, kids, or you wind up like me.
Hyomin, Jiyeon and Eunjung... is the preferred portmanteau Eunjimin? Just looking at the tweets themselves, you could come up with whatever you want. Look what I did with the Qri thing, and I was just messing around. If we add the context of the press release, and from that assume that this is a part of ongoing disagreements... First, using the internet is very unnatural. People lose their self-awareness very quickly when they're "talking" to people by punching in letters on an input field using a keyboard or their thumbs and then mouse- or finger-clicking a little square that says "tweet" or "post" or "send." And then, being a celebrity is totally weird. Imagine what it's like, to go to school, and like, people are taking pictures of you, someone touches your hand and starts crying, and strangers are screaming about wanting to marry you. Someone bumps into you and out of no where fifty people rush up and start hating on that person for "hitting" you and, when you say, "dudes, I'm all right, leave him alone," suddenly those folks turn around and starting clapping and praising you for being so merciful and kind. Or, people from around the world send you packages of food.
To take the general into the specific - your boss has encouraged you to tweet often and about any trivial thing, because it's good, cheap publicity - Soyeon actually quoted Mr. Kim as having the attitude that any publicity is good publicity. So yeah, you tweet weird stuff like that Eunjung thing about the grass pot-human thing and people are all "oh, she's so cool and creative." You tweet sad stuff that gets your fan base in a bother about your unfair working conditions and they encourage you. You have a dispute, both with your boss, and now, with another member, and the message gets mixed up - you tweet about it, however innocuously, because "there's no such thing as bad publicity," you're getting back at your boss as part of this ongoing disagreement with him, even if you're talking about someone else. Maybe they thought the connection wouldn't be made, maybe they were trying to start something - as an outside possibility, maybe they really were playing nice, and Hwayoung was just complaining about something else, but because Mr. Kim's publicity machine got it wrong, maybe they're sticking to their guns because they think they can use it against him. But yeah, somewhere there was a disagreement, and it's been addressed on or because of certain tweets. I won't be more critical of them other than to say that it's generally unwise to air private matters in a public forum.
I get it, you reprimand people for behavior you disagree with. That's one of my big reservations with the netizen stuff in kpop - the various netizen groups frequently come off as reactionary jerks, but on the other hand, it's just part of keeping a society in line. And aren't the cultural values (expressed through their celebrity culture and entertainment media) a pretty big part of what makes Korean entertainment so likable? But everyone says I either refuse to take sides, or that I'm always on someone else's side. I mean really, even if EJH really have been negatively critical of Hwayoung, like, I'd disagree with their apparent treatment of the situation, but really, I've seen worse from better people, you know? And anyway, I've got nothing to do with it other than click my tongue from a distant sideline.
And Hwayoung. She's in her own spot too. Even if I didn't know about all the stuff I'm now reading about with regards to how close she was to everyone else (all taken with that grain of salt, of course), there's just no way she could be as close to the others as they are to each other. They can be real close, real tight with each other beyond any relationship I've ever had, but unless she just clicked with one or two of them, her relationships with any of them will be less than those between the other six with each other. So no, she won't be able to draw on them for the same kind of support, she won't be able to feed her own determination with the collective energy as the other six. She also won't have the same commitment to their collective fortunes, whether because she simply hasn't been a part of the group (and through all the same experiences) as long, or if she really was always treated as an outcast in the group. Everyone agrees this year's been a real effed situation, all told. Wherever her breaking point is, maybe she's just getting there. I mean, if she is talking about quitting or not being able to keep up any more, or if she's just been in really low spirits for an extended period... aren't all those things what the fandom's been saying would be the end result of Mr. Kim's harsh policies? That poor kid that Gen. Patton slapped couldn't handle the war back then, and maybe Hwayoung's having a difficult time dealing with everything on her plate. And yeah, the fallout from most of the Hwayoung episodes seem to have been good publicity for her personally - that is, she's come out looking good to the fans most of the time. Maybe this is about some campaign to push her forward, given Mr. Kim's general pattern of dealing with things. But if we assume she's not getting a big warm feeling from the group, maybe she turns to the fandom at large, who have mostly responded positively to her in situations like this. Where do we turn when we find ourselves up against a wall? If you're really up against it, it'll probably just be the first thing you think of.
Hyoyoung's tweets most specifically indicate that something's going on. Even if we treat them separately, it's clear from the first post that Hwayoung is "suffering," and from the second that someone in pain is being treated unfairly (in her opinion), and, we may also assume, that the person being unfair is attractive. She kinda wraps a big bow on the whole "bullying" idea, unless she really is just playing the twitter world for fools (and doing so by selling out her twin).
So few fishes left swimming... how much have I forgotten?
Here's something: They say Eunjung took painkillers to perform on injured knee (ankle?). Others say she was or may have been forced to do so by the management - against her will, or under duress, what have you. Imagine how easy that is to turn around in one's memory by saying "I did it then, why can't you?" even if you didn't want to do it back then? And maybe, just maybe Hwayoung wasn't pressured to take painkillers in this more recent event - but again, it would still cause negativity to the aggrieved parties.
But as for all this twitter stuff, given the volumes dedicated to the scenario, it's hard to imagine that as little as ten sentences or so could be the basis of all this. There's not even a lot of continuity between the tweets. The twins are obviously talking to each other, and Jiyeon and Eunjung both refer back to Hyomin, but there's swathes of empty space between even each individual statement. Talk about economy of language.
I mean, maybe the lack of corrective statements from the members... maybe they're all tired of it all too. Like they just decided, "I can't duck my head and toe the company line this time." Hah. It's only been a few days, but maybe they've already met among themselves and decided that if Hwayoung can't take this, then the rest just aren't going to deal with it all either - given that their fortunes are tied to each other, some collective position must be reached. But then, for contractual purposes, they can't up and say something like that, so they have to press the impression that they're feuding and hope they get bailed out by some misstep by Mr. Kim. Ah, idle speculation.
Lastly, people are more interested in being able to judge other people for their misdeeds than on applauding their merits. This is because problems get more attention than things that go smoothly, but still.
But also, why "Sometimes dedication alone is sometimes not enough?" Just tossing them out before I starve, is she saying "I really can't do it (no matter my amount of dedication)," is she (hee hee) simply disagreeing with Hyomin's statement, is she displaying a hint of fatalism, is she suggesting something like "you also need the support of those around you" or that she's running out of reasons to keep going... etc.
And just again, whatever the mettle or character of these T-ara kids to begin with, Mr. Kim screwed them up. He's also throwing a shady light on Kpop as a whole.
And lastly lastly, I'll toss out another message about taking all this in the context of your own lives. If you think you're freaking out too much over this, try to remind yourself of your other pursuits in life. It can be hard, but really, there are things that need doing. Like, keeping busy can actually help reduce stress in situations like this.
Sorry folks, if I messed up anywhere! Thanks site folk for having this place where I could say things like this! Thanks folks for whatever, and thanks T-ara for doing all right!
And edit lastly, I really do hope those kids get a break. With the company or not, whatever, I hope they find something else to do with themselves for a while and live better lives and after a year or two look back and treat their CCM tenures as the lesson it was.

We will just have to wait for the news when it comes. Speculating will just make things worse in my opinion. Many times the speculations have been wrong. What I cannot stand right now are the naysayers especially the ones bashing T-ara members who do not even follow them. Reading comments "Oh, i don't really follow T-ara" yet feeling their opinions matter is ridiculous to me and I hate the thought that people will read comments and blogs and believe it as true. T-ara did not just start a few months ago, they have been in the industry for three years. I believe they are smart enough to know what to post on a social site. People are just twisting things around to have news to gossip about.
I'm staying faithful to the group and will wait to see what unravels.

I doubt it'll have anything to do with kicking any members out, which seems to be a rumor going around. Especially with all their success in Japan at the moment, I don't think CCM will risk anything that drastic. Still, I'm confused, if it's an apology for the tweets, wouldn't they have to retract their whole "hacked accounts" statement? I guess we'll see what happens.

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post links to external websites, but if you guys want to know about the tweets, check out Oniontaker's blog, he has them all translated.
And let's not be too concerned with netizens blowing this out of proportion. Most of them are likely anti-fans of T-ara, and they will use anything they can to try and ruin T-ara's reputation. Most of them don't even care about these tweets or anything else, they're just having fun trolling us fans. T-ara's current popularity just makes them a bigger target. Just ignore the stupid comments.

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post links to external websites, but if you guys want to know about the tweets, check out Oniontaker's blog, he has them all translated.
And let's not be too concerned with netizens blowing this out of proportion. Most of them are likely anti-fans of T-ara, and they will use anything they can to try and ruin T-ara's reputation. Most of them don't even care about these tweets or anything else, they're just having fun trolling us fans. T-ara's current popularity just makes them a bigger target. Just ignore the stupid comments.

I doubt it'll have anything to do with kicking any members out, which seems to be a rumor going around. Especially with all their success in Japan at the moment, I don't think CCM will risk anything that drastic. Still, I'm confused, if it's an apology for the tweets, wouldn't they have to retract their whole "hacked accounts" statement? I guess we'll see what happens.

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post links to external websites, but if you guys want to know about the tweets, check out Oniontaker's blog, he has them all translated.
And let's not be too concerned with netizens blowing this out of proportion. Most of them are likely anti-fans of T-ara, and they will use anything they can to try and ruin T-ara's reputation. Most of them don't even care about these tweets or anything else, they're just having fun trolling us fans. T-ara's current popularity just makes them a bigger target. Just ignore the stupid comments.

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post links to external websites, but if you guys want to know about the tweets, check out Oniontaker's blog, he has them all translated.
And let's not be too concerned with netizens blowing this out of proportion. Most of them are likely anti-fans of T-ara, and they will use anything they can to try and ruin T-ara's reputation. Most of them don't even care about these tweets or anything else, they're just having fun trolling us fans. T-ara's current popularity just makes them a bigger target. Just ignore the stupid comments.

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post links to external websites, but if you guys want to know about the tweets, check out Oniontaker's blog, he has them all translated.
And let's not be too concerned with netizens blowing this out of proportion. Most of them are likely anti-fans of T-ara, and they will use anything they can to try and ruin T-ara's reputation. Most of them don't even care about these tweets or anything else, they're just having fun trolling us fans. T-ara's current popularity just makes them a bigger target. Just ignore the stupid comments.

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post links to external websites, but if you guys want to know about the tweets, check out Oniontaker's blog, he has them all translated.
And let's not be too concerned with netizens blowing this out of proportion. Most of them are likely anti-fans of T-ara, and they will use anything they can to try and ruin T-ara's reputation. Most of them don't even care about these tweets or anything else, they're just having fun trolling us fans. T-ara's current popularity just makes them a bigger target. Just ignore the stupid comments.

Show you whole T-ara collection here~ Here's my collection (not very big lol):

I also have their Star Card Collection
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH5ogwFR68M&list=UU_YsGwJkRRaYEN8Biq2xaQA&index=6&feature=plcp

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Yeah but those guys are animals. I'm happy with having less lol, that means just less stuff to buy. While the cards are a PITA, I've convinced myself it's unnecessary and excessive to get all of them. That and I'm lucky to have gotten some nice trades.
EDIT
As promised here are my stuff. It's not neatly arranged or set as a shrine, all this stuff sits inside a shelf. The posters inside a huge box as I only went through the trouble have hanging their first two.
Albums:

Japanese Albums:

The last one is the Cry Cry/Lovey Dovey MV Blu-ray.

Photobooks, I consider the IY part of my T-ara stuff:

Cards:

Posters:

And lastly, my shrine-like corner in my room. All the same posters are there. Which is why I didn't have individual AFA/BH posters above.

Other:


Stuff on the way
- Day By Day album and poster
- BPBP Eunjung card

credit as seen on youtube:

And I think you're a bit too pessimistic to give a fair viewpoint on the situation. Long story short, some of the girls are by no means thrilled with the additions (we've already heard Eunjung give about as honest an answer as we'll ever get regarding her take on Dani and Areum's inclusion in Star Life Theater) but that doesn't mean all the girls hate them either. All anybody has to go on is what we see, and it looked like some of the members were trying to help Dani out while she was on stage and were trying to be supportive of her. She obviously doesn't know much Korean, they could've been rude and just let her sweat it out but Hyomin did her best to translate and Jiyeon tried to be supportive as well.
After seeing Dani in this I can't hate on her. Maybe it's because I'm an adult and just can't find it in me to hate on a twelve year-old girl. She's going through that awkward, gangly phase of puberty and she looked nervous and scared. No, I still don't think she should be debuting any time soon, but it is what it is and I wish her the best, simply because she's going to need it.
I don't think they plan on entering the U.S. market, but I do think they'll probably utilize her as a spokesperson for English-speaking markets and will probably try to do more activities overseas. It's becoming more and more obvious that KKS is trying to branch out beyond Korea with T-ara. I see them probably doing concerts and tours in other territories if their international popularity continues to grow.

They sold 8,163 physical units on Hanteo for this week...that's actually pretty good, and usually with T-ara that translates to about 20,000 units more sold on Gaon, so it doesn't look like their sales have taken too much of a hit. They generally sell anywhere from three to five times more on Gaon than they do on Hanteo. They're not on the top six albums on the real-time chart currently, so it's unknown exactly where they're at for now.

Well he does have them whipped, that's for sure. But is it really that hard to believe maybe the current members welcome the new ones? I don't take any of the members of being a big enough xxxx that they'd actually dislike the new members simply for joining the group late. The idea of adding/replacing members is not a new on in Kpop or any group-oriented business or franchise. The way he's approaching is def questionable.
Miami wasn't mad about getting Lebron, you know. Especially now.

Even if Soyeon was forced to say this, there's still a chance that she was being sincere about it.
I personally think there's pros and cons to not living together. The biggest pro is that they get to stay with their families, which is a very important thing. I mean look at Jiyeon. When her father lined up to see her at a fan signing she broke out in tears because of how distant they have to be. I think it will be a good thing for Ahreum and Dani. They're both young and they're going to need their families' support, especially with how critical the fans can be. However, on the flip side, T-ara won't be able to bond like they would in a dorm. I think this will be detrimental to Ahreum and Dani. Since they're new members they will need a lot of time to bond with T-ara. There's a chance that some of the members are against the new additions. T-ara won't be able to bond in a dorm to break down the wall that has potential to affect them negatively.
As for Dani being too young, DSP Media is debuting a girl group called PURETTY. Three of the girls are 16, and one is 14. The average age for girls seems to be getting lower. While they are young, I think they should stay as trainees and debut when they are older. But in the end, Dani still had the decision to debut at a young age, so I'm sure she knows what she wants. Even if she might not know what she's getting into.
And T-ara does rotate leaders for each album release. Hyomin, Eunjung, Boram, and Soyeon have already been leaders. Considering Soyeon is still the leader after the Day by Day release, I'm thinking they will switch once Mirage comes out with the repackaged album. Either that or once T-ara's Effect (or is it T-ara Effects?) is released. I'm sure there's a pretty big chance Jiyeon will become the next leader. Hwayoung and Qri aren't very popular in comparison, and Dani and Ahreum are new to T-ara so I doubt they will become leaders before Hwayoung or Qri.

too much flash but day by day is a good song....so addictive different from other T-ara or korean group song ....now i can't wait for DBD part 2 out...."mirage'....arggh august faster!!!!!
That song so catchy

[12.07.09] Video HD - T-ara's "Day by Day" (Dance ver.) MV








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cr: LOENENT

haha i thought i'm the only one who recognize areum as IU XD.... and i was like "why IU is with T-ara that time?"
i think i need to check up my eye sight too, my glasses might not suited in my eyes already i think >.<
and i also doubt how Ji injured her nose >.< hope it is not that severe! >.<
and maybe because of that her guesting to running man may be cancelled? gosh! well atleast she could take this opportunity to have enough rest!
Fighting T-ara >.<
back to the topic! i'm really looking forward to their comeback! 70 person orchestra is daebak!!!