Emperor Ryu

*Standing ovation* Hopefully one day, our T-ara has a movie of their own with all of the members (Of course Hwayoung too.), including Jiwon and Jiae, and have all of the actors, actresses, and friends who supported our girls and the fans, be a part of it as well.

Hopefully security will be there to weed them out and ensure a safe, enjoyable, and working environment for everybody in attendance for the performance. I'm beginning to believe that there's not that much antis anymore.

A few thoughts occurred to me, not too long ago, . . . What if things are getting better over there to have our girls performance next week? What if the amount of complaints and hatred towards our girls have died down enough to accept a performance from them? What if all of the antis have finally ceased their activities against our girls, and finally joined up with the rest of the fandom to welcome back our girls? What if our Hwayoung is going to reunite with our T-ara very, very soon? We'll see, yes?

As I said before here, being an idol is not really that different than being like any other human being in life. I'm still proud and supportive of our girls, and hopefully soon, maybe before the performance, our dearly beloved Hwayoung will reunite with our precious T-ara.

Oh, so this schedule was actually anticipating their "Sexy Love" comeback. That's why this is not confirmed after those reschedules. Well, I hope our dear Hwayoung reunites with our girls soon.

Will there be flowers, or vegetables, or nothing? Will there be screams of love and support, including fan chants, or boos and death threats? Will Hwayoung be there, or not? I guess there's only one way to find out, yes? We'll see what happens at the performance.

But, Kim Kwang Soo and Hwayoung met each other not long after the "misunderstanding" started, and he publicly stated for Hwayoung her apologies and still welcomes her back to the group. Perhaps this online media article might help here. Seems pretty clear about it. Doubtful that our girls will do a press conference due to the negative reactions towards our Hwayoung's recent tweets. It's pretty easy to understand that if they won't listen to what either Soyeon and/or Hwayoung publicly stated, why should the others speak up about the whole matter in the first place? The opposition against our girls needs to completely halt their activities permanently, "if they want a T-ara Press Conference". Those people need to realize that Soyeon and now Hwayoung weren't silent at all, and their irascibility continues to hurt our girls with no remorse or care. Soyeon, and now Hwayoung, clearly stated that those fabricated lies that antis call "evidence", is nothing more than a bunch of "fabricated lies". As long as the antis continue their hateful assaults on our girls, that "Press Conference" they are calling for, won't happen. Either they back off from our girls right now, or forever dwell in the darkness of the moronic. In her tweets, she is still hopefully and looking forward to even more better days ahead. So, there's a chance that she'll return soon. I'll just play this idea, . . . just for fun, . . . Ryu: "Look! There's a secret message in Hwayoung's recent tweets." Fan: "Where?" Ryu: "The '이티만또' there, and the '하이사많' right there." Fan: "What does that mean?" Ryu: "Well, the '하이' means 'high'. The '사' means 'temple'. This '많', . . . I have no idea, but I'm pretty sure it means something, . . . maybe it's a sentence particle. But anyways, '이" means 'this'. And '티만' means 'thiamine', which is a vitamin of the B complex, found in unrefined grains, beans, and liver, a deficiency of which causes beriberi. It is a sulfur-containing derivative of thiazole and pyrimidine. Also called vitamin B1. Lastly, '또' means 'again'." Fan: "So what does it say altogether then?" Ryu: "The high temple is this vitamin B again. Or, . . . again this vitamin B is the temple high." Fan: "Oh."

Now it is, but I'm not sure when a thread of its own will be made, hopefully soon.

All I can recall are these 2 threads in the discussion section of this forum here and here. I hope this helps. The only news about or even related to her about this, is Core Contents Media stating that she'll debut this December, as an official T-ara member. I don't think this has affected her that much, but definitely she's learning about the cultural aspects of her new job/career over there, especially from this angle as an idol. I can strangely imagine Dani using the perfect excuse on reporters though, . . . "I'm new here.", and then excuses herself and walks away.

They could've left this issue unanswered and vague until the episode came out, in order to turn out a higher rating. Then, when the complaints come in, they can simply apologize and just edit that out when the DVD set comes out for retail.

I was just answering your question, which is contrary to what was reported by the media, that 19 staff members submitted statements against our Hwayoung.

@GRIMLOCK If antis continue to disapprove of Soyeon's interview, why should any of the members speak up about it, in the first place? This is all the antis fault to begin with.

Actually it could work, just fire the ones who voiced against Eunjung, including those who are against T-ara as a whole, and assign other and new employees to the project.

It's all thanks to the antis that got out Eunjung removed from the drama. Several online media articles hinted at the possibility that the production team has outspoken T-ara antis that drove this over the contractual edge. No, because of those 19 written statements submitted by the staff members, while the members did not want her to get fired.

Same, I haven't encountered that many who gave negative comments about our dear Hwayoung here, however it is regrettable that so many are just giving up on her though as if there's no second chance, not even an ounce of consideration that she could still return to T-ara and make things more better. Just because her contract was terminated and still on good terms with mostly everybody at Core Contents Media, including Kim Kwang Soo, who's still willing to reunite her with the rest of the members, doesn't mean it's game over. Well, I won't put it into that type of context, but rather giving and hoping that things will not get to the point where someone gets killed because of all of this. They've already stepped up to egg throwing. People who continue to bring up old and irrelevant past mistakes and build them as if it was such a huge conspiracy against them, they would most likely resort to irrational actions with unfathomable consequences for both them and everyone else, if nobody doesn't offer them another perspective, or even assist them into considering a more plausible explanation. I even still remember Hyomin pleading everybody not to misunderstand them when they were just having fun on stage together and show a little bit of their close relationship together as a group. I'm sure we all know other idol groups have done the same before on stage. I took those tweets as a form of encouragement, not in the form of ostracizing her online cause of her injury/recovery. What would be the point anyways to bully her in the first place, considering how much success as a group together have garnered recently? None. I'm sure they won't jeopardize their life's career by encouraging Hwayoung to continue overcoming her injury. As for their silence, there's a good reason, and I am not surprised that not many people realized it yet. If people are able to easily misunderstand them, then silence is the best option, until that misunderstood way of thinking is finally able to understand, and then allow them to confirm it or not. Antis can have the most impatience ever when involved in a fandom. 
 Yeah, it's the latter part there. Allow me to explain. Most antis have pretty much want him fired, broke, more or less dead, based on irrational thoughts without any proof of evidence to support such a mentality. Here's an example, when he announced about the possible member change up. It's understandable that a C.E.O., a boss, manager, or even a supervisor would remind their employees about the termination clause they all signed, if there's a discrepancy that contradicts their commitment prior to signing it, namely the job interview. I'm sure everybody is well aware of this, well, except for those who haven't yet even begun to work for a steady paycheck. Most reactions to his announcement was taken badly, because he went through the media too on it. Perhaps he wanted to share the wonderful world of working a job and to further humanize our girls through some unintentional mistakes that happened behind closed doors, or even level the disputed playing field to whoever our girls were up against. In any case, we won't know for sure, unless there's proof that specifically points out what the reasons are for these actions. This thought process of outright accusing him without any rock hard evidence to support these motivations that consequently lead to these actions, it thus becomes similar as an anti. I'm rather surprised if you assumed that I was branding you as one, when actually, I am not. Just pointing out the similarities between the antis' illogical call for justice in this manner, and the statement you made. We all know positions can change, whether it be for good or bad, and if it makes you feel any better, I'm not the sort of person who gives a final verdict on someone and executes them right on the spot like some street judge. 

 If perception is able to misunderstand a single word, like "determination", we would not be so different when it comes to reading someone's thoughts without the voice and facial and bodily expressions to go with it. Okay, now that is better understood than that previous posting you made that seemed rather vague, especially with the whole American and Korean mixing in it. Oh, and thank you for making that clear. 
 Not those three days. The three days "before" he made the announcement to make that big announcement. It all started with the press conference in Japan before the concert. Some people started pointing out our girls' demeanor since then. After that first announcement, the same rumors were getting looped around after that, and everybody was in waiting mode. Defend him? No. Being opening minded to other possibilities when there's no proof to send that man to jail, sure. If making mistakes indicates he's just as mortal as we are, than why bother someone whose already on a guilt trip of his own? If the company makes a mistake, they lose revenue and fans, simple as that. If they commit a crime, then they got to do the time and/or pay the fines and then earn their redemptions, plain and understood. Does the achievements and failures are what makes the person, or does the actions and reasons do? I did read it carefully, but that failed to realized that other companies "did" go through much worse than this before, and I was merely reaffirming that should anybody misinterpret that as being another means of saying that it was fabricated, that it clearly isn't. 
 I don't doubt that you could find fault, but at least you can understand the positive side to some acceptable degree, especially to those who really still believe in the U.S. and South Korea, and the rest of the world. True, cultures are unique with their own history and development, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the cultures themselves are unable to still develop further and be more understanding of each other, rather than waging wars, agreed? It is understood that should a war occur, we hope that the lives lost bear the reminder of the failure to discover that understanding is paid at too high of a cost, if not pricelessness of what could've been a peaceful transition to a better change. It is my experience that it is very easy to find faults, than it is to find solutions to the insurmountable challenges that take place daily in our lives. That is good that Hollywood is not involved with our girls in this debacle of a misunderstanding. Well, thankfully to the international fans and their support of T-ara, it demonstrates even more so just how many more people are involved with K-Pop. As 2NE1 recently disclosed that their international fan base is way beyond more than their home country's fan numbers, it provides that T-ara is not alone as well, including the most notable idols in the genre too. As for the similarities between the the U.S. and South Korea, it would've offered the point that not everything is about faults, which would've support your discretion and candor of respect to those patriots. You would be surprised how different each movie winner is when you watch the special features, and the history of that awards show. Read again then, if you missed it, but it's probably best that it be so missed in this case. On a technicality, K-Pop was actually new back in 1996, which is how I became a fan of the genre. It's only new because of the massive recognition and achievements it has been getting through the internet and social media networks recently. I watched and read many things that happened, both good and bad since then. From idol fist fighting and gang related activities and crime, to rape and murder and yes, suicides, to Tupac's mother to BoA to the sudden change of the Wonder Girls members along with the U.S. reactions to it, to now. And I can tell you right now, this T-ara issue is not that severe compared to all of that, and there's still time and hope of them yet, and this time, the fans can make that difference happen than ever before. It is true we're in the mists of a fandom civil war currently, and the only ways to ensure the fandom's existence is for our Hwayoung to reunite with our T-ara, and comeback as a 9 member group together. 

 There is, and I hope we don't forget this established understanding.


Perhaps saying you're stunned would suffice? Please reread my posting and take notice to your usage of the word "delusional". Oh, and please consider to not ever suggest again to someone about "not" using the name calling after this statement of yours then. Then they should stop asking for answers they simply don't like at all, it'll save everybody the trouble, including themselves having to repeat it all over again from the beginning. Where did I ever imply that you did? That's a recap. Yes, there's many people involved. Prove to us all that there's physical abuse and/or other criminal incidents, including bullying amongst the T-ara members and other employees of Core Contents Media, then we're ready to believe you. Everybody has their own opinion, remember? Oh, and it's not required for you to reply to this posting too. It's not about offense, it's about pointing out how one would say one thing and yet ending up saying the exact opposite in the same post. And that was to help correct the misleading direction in your argument, and to hopefully point out that such debate strategies are seriously outdated. You're welcome. Funny, that's what I thought when silence forgot Soyeon's interview, in the first place. Perhaps we did see the same interview, and thus came up with different reactions and thoughts about it, when there was three or more translations to it, oh, actually, I think that's what exactly happened. Ah, excellent. Oh, well, be assured that when I quote a posting, I make sure my response goes with what part of the posting to better communicate and reduce any further "misunderstandings" that may occur during the course of the conversation. And rest assured as well, that I haven't come across any antis on this forum, yet. If I do, I'll let you know. Really? You mean I can't quote you and and myself in the same sentence? Strange. I'm pretty sure it's allowed, especially in this texting age of technology, including this forum. Did Jiyeon admit that was her? Especially with all of these idol look-a-likes that keeps popping up every now and then? Didn't they apologized for that one at least, cause I seem to recall that they did, or I think Kim Kwang Soo did for them. Plus, all of those are so definitely not hidden either. Nope, what is your point? Very strange to think quoting is actually butchering here, especially when your posting clearly demonstrates it in a similar way too and then. I'm not the one suggesting that there's bullying amongst the T-ara members, based on the lack of needed proof that it did happen. How is that out of context? Yeah, I hope you sleep well too. That's very reassuring to read. Thank you. Of course I do, however, I will point out while you respect other people's opinions, I seriously doubt that especially after making this posting in another thread here, back then. Instigating or not? That's awesome that you support our girls. However, I think it better to ask questions to confirm first before accusing, let alone assuming, someone of spinning things wrong. Sure, if you would like to continue this via PM, I await your response. I apologize too, I did not ever call you an anti, in the first place. Your words, not mine. Again, quoting and following up with my response is just my way of avoiding any overlapping between postings and not intended as an insult.

Better than someone who claims to be a T-ara supporter at least.

Just like how it's easy to believe in all of those lies, fabrications, and accusations of bullying amongst the members without studying, and making sure it's the truth or not.

Nor is calling the public a bunch of mindless, delusional, easy to manipulate, zealots is a good thing either. Agreed? And as I pointed out, the people, including those who dislike/hate T-ara, requested an official statement from the members. Soyeon, being the leader of the group and member, "officially" spoke about it, and guess what, the group of people who dislike/hate T-ara simply "DID NOT BELIEVE HER ONE BIT!" Which inevitably made them contradict their entire views and beliefs, and then continued their dark crusade against them, all because they didn't get the answers they completely believe in, which happens to be false. About that name calling again? And her statements clearly said that they were disagreements and polarized point of views amongst the members, and definitely "not bullying", because they didn't want to go that far, nor have Hwayoung removed at all. It was the 19 statements by the staff members that changed all of that, not the members. Soyeon clearly stated that they all wanted a solution to resolve their differences from another point of view. How does all of this "solidify" bullying or even prove that the members were bullying each other? If disagreements are defined as bullying, then that means both you and I are bullying each other right now, right? Do you feel bullied? Is there proof that this "really happened"? Witnesses? Better yet, show us this "crazy stuff" and it's "specific hidden location". The media is hungry for anything, so what. Indeed, it is unfortunate that there are those who just can't understand the sheer gravity of this situation and take this so out of context. Then why the encouragement to continue to go along with the separation of Hwayoung from the group? Why support and treat the possibilities that alleged "bullying" accusations are true? Why underrate the newest members without leaving enough room to prove themselves? Why must you create an inner conflict within yourself, in the first place?

Did everybody miss, let alone forgot, our Soyeon's Interview about this "misunderstanding"? I guess the antis did. 
 Let's play with this "T-ara Conference" idea, . . . All the members are present, including Hwayoung, staff members, Kim Kwang Soo, and why not, have the other artists too, so we can cover every single angle from within Core Contents Media. They introduce themselves to the reporters one by one, before covering the events that eventually come to Hwayoung's contract terminated by 19 submitted statements by staff members, and interviews that Kim Kwang Soo and whoever helped with the internal investigation regarding the status quo of T-ara during that 3 day time period. Now they cover the "edited", "fabrications", "evidence", and "accusations" about abuse, mistreatment of employees, including working conditions, and bullying. Soyeon repeats what she said in her earlier interview, and the other members agree and confirm that no bullying and ostracizing ever took place. Reporters start to scramble around with the made up lies from antis, and yet, every single one of them continue to say these allegations are all false and have no creditability to them at all. The reporters press harder by name calling them and ask leading questions in the vain hopes they will crack from social pressures. They fail, as all of them continue to say none of those accusations are factual or true to begin with. Now the conference has ended. Everybody leaves. Now the antis start making up more lies as if they were employees of Core Contents Media and present to see these allegations when the cameras were not rolling, or even viewing them from a C.C.T.V. monitor with audio recordings. The antis simply do not believe any of them, despite their call for a press conference. Have any of the antis ever considered that Core Contents Media anticipated this sort of response, even after Hyomin's and Eunjung's Drama Press Conferences? Antis will continue to present skepticism as fact and truth without any proof whatsoever. So, why should Core Contents Media have a press conference to a bunch of inpatient, immature, loud mouth, uneducated, half-witted, nerf herders, who simply are "not willing to accept the truth from them at all". "Patience would have made this T-ara Press Conference POSSIBLE!" It would demonstrate to the company that the public is willing to listen to their testimonies without having to hang them in some lynch mob. No thanks to the antis in their endeavor to press for answers, let alone destroy "Nine" career lives, maybe even more, we probably won't get a conference now. Antis has always hurt someone to make a point, even resort to murder with little or no remorse. Who ever said that was the "only way" to make positive and effective and efficient change? If antis wanted to force a change within Core Contents Media, they should've called the police, but did they? No, all because they simply do not know anything about law enforcement, and police investigations, let alone the purpose to uphold peace and justice without getting anyone hurt and/or killed in the process. Open World Entertainment anyone? 
 A typical thinking example of an modus operandi in a anti. As for the timing to speak up about confirming whether or not these allegations are true, well, it's most likely we can all toss that possibility away now. 
 
Yeah, I think we all like proof that this was all a stage play, instead of repeating it over like it's the truth or something. 
 
Why the American bashing, and not mention the similar things that both the U.S. and South Korea share? 
 
Actually it was 3 days, not 5. That accident was so definitely not orchestrated. When the site that was referenced by an anti, it clearly showed that it's default clock always displayed 6 minutes after midnight for it's page "on all of its reports". Even allkpop admitted that was a mistake on the anti's claim. Yeah, the rest of that is purely delusional in thought. 
 What does the U.S. entertainment specifically have to do with the T-ara situation? In other words, is the U.S. Entertainment Industry involved with the T-ara situation? If so, how? Yeah, pretty much this part of the argument and point of view is so invalid, including insulting, especially when the U.S. holds a whole bunch of International Film Festivals Yearly and even give awards and honors to international entertainment works from our most prestigious Hollywood ceremonies. 
 Seriously? Since when did we ever took a vote on what goes on with Core Contents Media and its employees? There's an old saying in the entertainment industry, "don't ever mix politics with entertainment." 


 And yet there are procedures they are suppose to follow, despite their concerns. 
 
Life is more than all of that.

Really, so, that whole Open World Entertainment CEO arresting was just a whole "act" then, right? Bully? From what I've read from these antis claim that there's actual "physical abuse" happening to our girls. As for the bullying, laws can be changed in South Korea, and if I'm not mistaken they are currently creating the legal work frame to handle this specifically right now. I already have, and I'm pretty sure "not even a contract is above the law" either. Did our Soyeon "clearly state that they are slaves" to Core Contents Media? Can you point that out in their contracts, please? True, they are one of the most dedicated hard working idols currently. I can even recall several times that instead of taking a vacation break, they went to do volunteer work to help others before. I agree, they should use their vacation time, because they deserve it. Who knows, perhaps they were going to get a huge vacation later on this year, before all of this misunderstanding happened. For sure enough, they're getting one that's being covered with lies by antis, right now. Really, or perhaps it's because they wanted to do it for their fans? Ever considered that before? That has nothing to do with our girls. Granted that was another unfortunate incident that took it's toll on both sides, and including the fans. However, mistakes can be corrected and redeemed, nor do they have to be repeated again. Mentioning this does not help at all, because this "misunderstanding" is very much different from Nam Gyuri. And yes, I'm still a fan of hers too. So, basically you spoken to "every one of them", and majority are in disfavor of T-ara because of the false reports made by antis, yes? If both groups share the same frame of mind, then they are the same, so yes, it is a generalization, because they either haven't bothered to find out the truth to all of those fabrications and lies, or they are just taking it as is, with no remorse for our girls whatsoever. Please continue to support our Hwayoung's return to our T-ara and their comeback as a 9 member group.

Now you know another reason why I'm asking for a police conviction. Since there's no evidence to back this, yeah, another fabrication. And if this is suppose to be a pun, a terrible one, given the gravity of the situation for our girls. Your perception is wrong on both counts there, as it's a question for clarification because I'm sure you read and noticed our Hwayoung's injury, before posting that unnecessary list here, and I'm a fan of all of the girls. Your perception and recollection has only witnessed "Hwayoung" being pointed out because I continue to mention her eventual return to the group in almost every posting I made since that "huge misunderstanding". Thank you for clarifying that for the record. If anyone wants the T-ara members dead by decapitation, that very much fits the motivations of an anti, even as far as a "potential criminal". Anti-fan and Anti-T-ara are still "Antis". Query, . . . how many people do you know, and yes, I'm asking for a specific number here. Why the "mindless comment" about the public, which happens to include both you and me and everybody else here in the forum? Bombarded with a bunch of lies and fabrication. How about taking it from this point of view, . . . Remember that time about our girls being accused of bad behavior "towards the media" before? What if the media reporters took it so badly, that they were willing to defame them gradually over time, and it has reached to this point right now. No need to answer this, just think about it and consider it from another point of view. True, which is why at least the industry is taking measures to make things more safer for all of their employees and staff members to prevent it from happening again. It's a plus that it gets schools involved too, which is probably the next best thing to come out of this "misunderstanding".

Yeah, Hwayoung's leg injury, but I guess you deliberately left that out because she's not with the group presently, right? Nope, only antis. Perhaps there are still lingering media reporters who got scolded or even penalized for making false reports about our girls earlier and ended up getting their media companies sued by Core Contents Media, and still trying to retaliate against them? *shrugs* How so?

Once our Hwayoung reunites with T-ara, under a new contract, I'm sure our T-ara will perform again, and again, and again, and yes, or course, again, with some vacation in between, and then perform again, and again, and again, . . . yup, again, for all of us fans.

Aigoo, not once, but twice they had to tell the reporters to keep the questions drama show related, not drama in a general sense. If the reporters want those questions answered, raise a whole lot of money to give to them to attend a T-ara Press Conference. But, I guess after what they did to our Hyomin, and now our Eunjung, I doubt they will take the money and attend it. After all, they did turn down millions before.