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    klee95 got a reaction from poseidon206 in [DISC] Anti-Hwayoung and Bashing   
    This will contain some sensitive topics, so if I offend you, please be aware that that was not my intention. Furthermore, because I’m sure that members of this forum are reasonable people, most of this will not even apply to you. However, there are some things I’ve noticed around the fandom that I believe require addressing – namely, anti-Hwayoung sentiments and “defending” T-ara from haters.
    First of all, there’s one thing I’d like to make clear – Hwayoung is a victim. I’m not saying she was the sole victim in this controversy, like she was a perfect angel and the rest of T-ara are complete monsters that bullied her and forced her in a cupboard like Harry Potter or some farfetched story like that. BUT, in the light of recent news, a lot of people have forgotten one thing – Hwayoung was actually kicked out of T-ara. She is definitely a victim.
    As such, it is very upsetting to me when I see fans bashing on Hwayoung; she is entirely undeserving of it and should instead be supported like the member of T-ara she is. I will list here the general things I’ve seen and make my rebuttal:
    Deserving to be Bullied: This one is undoubtedly the rarest, but also the most disgusting. I am not kidding you – I have actually heard (or read, really) that because Hwayoung was the new member, any unhappy things she may have experienced were entirely justified. I honestly feel that I shouldn’t have to counter this one, but suffice to say that that belief is so vile I’m not going to get into that mess. No one deserves to be unhappy, and anybody who says otherwise…I recommend counseling.
    Beauty Salon: This is a little more ambiguous. Because of Hwayoung’s injury, she was handicapped and unable to practice, and as such she was granted time to rest. The general belief is that because Hwayoung chose to go to a beauty salon, this generated ill feelings between the members – leading to the tweets that started all this.
    However, in this case I don’t see any fault in Hwayoung’s actions. Note that she was handicapped and that staying for practice would have been highly illogical when she could finally rest for once. The argument against this is that Hwayoung should have been at home resting and not at a beauty salon, implying that she was lying/faking. However, Hwayoung had a hurt ankle. She didn’t have both her kneecaps shattered or something; she was not immobile, and resting does not have to be lying in bed 24 hours a day. Hwayoung can do whatever she wants in her time off.
    Another argument I hear is that doing so was “bad timing” and that Hwayoung didn’t show “team spirit.” Again, this is fairly illogical – what could Hwayoung have even contributed to at the practice? Not to mention it’s hard to rest in a dance studio, as that was what she was supposed to be doing. When a highly overworked idol is given time to herself, she rests. The only bad timing in this is that we happened to find out now.
    Tweets: Aha, the tweets, one of the things that most aggravates people for some inexplicable reason. The reason these tweets upset people are because they are considered, and I quote “immature, hateful, arrogant, etc. etc.”
    Of course, a lot of us forget that the whole tweeting fiasco was actually started by Hyomin with the determination thing. I firmly believe that any problems between the members, if dealt with maturely, should not have been solved (or vented) on Twitter, but once someone starts…you can’t exactly just blame someone who follows. If Hwayoung’s tweet was immature, then so was everybody else’s, no?
    As for Hwayoung’s other tweet on the 28th (“The support of my family and my fans is worth so much to me.”), the same logic applies. Furthermore, most of us say that idols have the right to tweet about their feelings too, so I don’t see why this only doesn’t apply to Hwayoung. Now would probably be a good time for me to say I do believe Hwayoung was unhappy – and no, this does not mean I think T-ara are evil (do not be black and white about this, I can support both sides). The T-ara members might not even have realized they were ignoring Hwayoung in ways that hurt her, but nevertheless, she was unhappy – hence that tweet.
    The tweet on the 31st (“…facts without any truth”) was NOT immature, in any way. I am still incredulous over the fact that some people actually believe the crap KKS spewed, especially as most of the people who choose to believe him this instance are the same people who hate on him the loudest. KKS is a horribly incompetent liar, and seeing as he was flat-out slandering Hwayoung in his statements, Hwayoung had every right to fight back.
    Acting the Victim: I admit I don’t entirely understand this one, and I am definitely slipping into sarcasm here, but – sure, Hwayoung is acting the victim by throwing herself out of T-ara and quite possibly getting blacklisted in the entertainment industry. Read that to yourself and say you agree. Can’t do it, right? It’s just like saying that Eunjung’s acting the victim by throwing herself out of Five Fingers. It doesn’t make any sense.
    Again, Hwayoung is a victim, and T-ara is as well. There is no acting involved.
    Not Speaking Up: A lot of people argue that Hwayoung, if she really loved the T-ara members, should speak up and dispel all the rumors so everything clears up. I see this type of thing a lot: “Why doesn’t Hwayoung say something so people will like T-ara again?” or “The bullying isn’t true, so if Hwayoung would just say that then everything would be okay.”
    The most obvious reason Hwayoung hasn’t said she wasn’t bullied is – she was bullied, or was unhappy about bad communication within the group (more likely). Now, before anyone flies into a rage, I’d like to say this is all about perception. Hwayoung didn’t feel happy, ergo she doesn’t say anything. This is a very understandable reaction.
    Also, we can’t be sure Hwayoung even has the ability to speak up. Seeing as Hyoyoung is still in CCM, and combined with the fact that the company is a lot more powerful than Hwayoung, she may not be allowed to speak on the issue. Just because she hasn’t come out to clarify the issue (just like how the T-ara members didn’t until just recently) doesn’t mean Hwayoung’s some evil monster who enjoys seeing the group suffer.
    And again, I understand that some people are upset that Hwayoung’s fortunes seem to be better than T-ara’s, especially with her selcas and such – but, would you really rather see Hwayoung act all depressed?
    With that being said, I hope people can continue to support both T-ara and Hwayoung.
    However, supporting T-ara doesn’t mean flaming the haters.
    I wholly advocate stepping up and calmly and logically defending T-ara; but there is one thing I’ve seen that should not happen – fans banding together, intentionally seeking out the “haters,” and then attacking in a group. This is practically the definition of cyberbullying, and seeing as that is precisely what fans accuse the haters of doing…why sink to their level?
    There’s nothing wrong with defending T-ara, but the way it’s happening isn’t going to change any minds. I’m not going to name any names, but a large majority of the “defense” is comprised of vulgar insults and immature bashing, like calling them retards or b*tches. This. Isn’t. Helping. If anything, it makes us fans, and T-ara by extension, look even worse. What’s happening here is that people are using “defending T-ara” as an excuse to vent.
    I realize that fans are angry about these antis, but that isn’t an excuse. If I’m supposed to just let it go because fans are doing this out of anger, then that would mean condoning haters as well, and I try not to be a hypocrite.
    Please stay calm. And I apologize for this super-long post; I realize I’m being very verbose.
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    klee95 got a reaction from Timtam in [DISC] Anti-Hwayoung and Bashing   
    This will contain some sensitive topics, so if I offend you, please be aware that that was not my intention. Furthermore, because I’m sure that members of this forum are reasonable people, most of this will not even apply to you. However, there are some things I’ve noticed around the fandom that I believe require addressing – namely, anti-Hwayoung sentiments and “defending” T-ara from haters.
    First of all, there’s one thing I’d like to make clear – Hwayoung is a victim. I’m not saying she was the sole victim in this controversy, like she was a perfect angel and the rest of T-ara are complete monsters that bullied her and forced her in a cupboard like Harry Potter or some farfetched story like that. BUT, in the light of recent news, a lot of people have forgotten one thing – Hwayoung was actually kicked out of T-ara. She is definitely a victim.
    As such, it is very upsetting to me when I see fans bashing on Hwayoung; she is entirely undeserving of it and should instead be supported like the member of T-ara she is. I will list here the general things I’ve seen and make my rebuttal:
    Deserving to be Bullied: This one is undoubtedly the rarest, but also the most disgusting. I am not kidding you – I have actually heard (or read, really) that because Hwayoung was the new member, any unhappy things she may have experienced were entirely justified. I honestly feel that I shouldn’t have to counter this one, but suffice to say that that belief is so vile I’m not going to get into that mess. No one deserves to be unhappy, and anybody who says otherwise…I recommend counseling.
    Beauty Salon: This is a little more ambiguous. Because of Hwayoung’s injury, she was handicapped and unable to practice, and as such she was granted time to rest. The general belief is that because Hwayoung chose to go to a beauty salon, this generated ill feelings between the members – leading to the tweets that started all this.
    However, in this case I don’t see any fault in Hwayoung’s actions. Note that she was handicapped and that staying for practice would have been highly illogical when she could finally rest for once. The argument against this is that Hwayoung should have been at home resting and not at a beauty salon, implying that she was lying/faking. However, Hwayoung had a hurt ankle. She didn’t have both her kneecaps shattered or something; she was not immobile, and resting does not have to be lying in bed 24 hours a day. Hwayoung can do whatever she wants in her time off.
    Another argument I hear is that doing so was “bad timing” and that Hwayoung didn’t show “team spirit.” Again, this is fairly illogical – what could Hwayoung have even contributed to at the practice? Not to mention it’s hard to rest in a dance studio, as that was what she was supposed to be doing. When a highly overworked idol is given time to herself, she rests. The only bad timing in this is that we happened to find out now.
    Tweets: Aha, the tweets, one of the things that most aggravates people for some inexplicable reason. The reason these tweets upset people are because they are considered, and I quote “immature, hateful, arrogant, etc. etc.”
    Of course, a lot of us forget that the whole tweeting fiasco was actually started by Hyomin with the determination thing. I firmly believe that any problems between the members, if dealt with maturely, should not have been solved (or vented) on Twitter, but once someone starts…you can’t exactly just blame someone who follows. If Hwayoung’s tweet was immature, then so was everybody else’s, no?
    As for Hwayoung’s other tweet on the 28th (“The support of my family and my fans is worth so much to me.”), the same logic applies. Furthermore, most of us say that idols have the right to tweet about their feelings too, so I don’t see why this only doesn’t apply to Hwayoung. Now would probably be a good time for me to say I do believe Hwayoung was unhappy – and no, this does not mean I think T-ara are evil (do not be black and white about this, I can support both sides). The T-ara members might not even have realized they were ignoring Hwayoung in ways that hurt her, but nevertheless, she was unhappy – hence that tweet.
    The tweet on the 31st (“…facts without any truth”) was NOT immature, in any way. I am still incredulous over the fact that some people actually believe the crap KKS spewed, especially as most of the people who choose to believe him this instance are the same people who hate on him the loudest. KKS is a horribly incompetent liar, and seeing as he was flat-out slandering Hwayoung in his statements, Hwayoung had every right to fight back.
    Acting the Victim: I admit I don’t entirely understand this one, and I am definitely slipping into sarcasm here, but – sure, Hwayoung is acting the victim by throwing herself out of T-ara and quite possibly getting blacklisted in the entertainment industry. Read that to yourself and say you agree. Can’t do it, right? It’s just like saying that Eunjung’s acting the victim by throwing herself out of Five Fingers. It doesn’t make any sense.
    Again, Hwayoung is a victim, and T-ara is as well. There is no acting involved.
    Not Speaking Up: A lot of people argue that Hwayoung, if she really loved the T-ara members, should speak up and dispel all the rumors so everything clears up. I see this type of thing a lot: “Why doesn’t Hwayoung say something so people will like T-ara again?” or “The bullying isn’t true, so if Hwayoung would just say that then everything would be okay.”
    The most obvious reason Hwayoung hasn’t said she wasn’t bullied is – she was bullied, or was unhappy about bad communication within the group (more likely). Now, before anyone flies into a rage, I’d like to say this is all about perception. Hwayoung didn’t feel happy, ergo she doesn’t say anything. This is a very understandable reaction.
    Also, we can’t be sure Hwayoung even has the ability to speak up. Seeing as Hyoyoung is still in CCM, and combined with the fact that the company is a lot more powerful than Hwayoung, she may not be allowed to speak on the issue. Just because she hasn’t come out to clarify the issue (just like how the T-ara members didn’t until just recently) doesn’t mean Hwayoung’s some evil monster who enjoys seeing the group suffer.
    And again, I understand that some people are upset that Hwayoung’s fortunes seem to be better than T-ara’s, especially with her selcas and such – but, would you really rather see Hwayoung act all depressed?
    With that being said, I hope people can continue to support both T-ara and Hwayoung.
    However, supporting T-ara doesn’t mean flaming the haters.
    I wholly advocate stepping up and calmly and logically defending T-ara; but there is one thing I’ve seen that should not happen – fans banding together, intentionally seeking out the “haters,” and then attacking in a group. This is practically the definition of cyberbullying, and seeing as that is precisely what fans accuse the haters of doing…why sink to their level?
    There’s nothing wrong with defending T-ara, but the way it’s happening isn’t going to change any minds. I’m not going to name any names, but a large majority of the “defense” is comprised of vulgar insults and immature bashing, like calling them retards or b*tches. This. Isn’t. Helping. If anything, it makes us fans, and T-ara by extension, look even worse. What’s happening here is that people are using “defending T-ara” as an excuse to vent.
    I realize that fans are angry about these antis, but that isn’t an excuse. If I’m supposed to just let it go because fans are doing this out of anger, then that would mean condoning haters as well, and I try not to be a hypocrite.
    Please stay calm. And I apologize for this super-long post; I realize I’m being very verbose.
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    klee95 got a reaction from scrent in [DISC] Anti-Hwayoung and Bashing   
    This will contain some sensitive topics, so if I offend you, please be aware that that was not my intention. Furthermore, because I’m sure that members of this forum are reasonable people, most of this will not even apply to you. However, there are some things I’ve noticed around the fandom that I believe require addressing – namely, anti-Hwayoung sentiments and “defending” T-ara from haters.
    First of all, there’s one thing I’d like to make clear – Hwayoung is a victim. I’m not saying she was the sole victim in this controversy, like she was a perfect angel and the rest of T-ara are complete monsters that bullied her and forced her in a cupboard like Harry Potter or some farfetched story like that. BUT, in the light of recent news, a lot of people have forgotten one thing – Hwayoung was actually kicked out of T-ara. She is definitely a victim.
    As such, it is very upsetting to me when I see fans bashing on Hwayoung; she is entirely undeserving of it and should instead be supported like the member of T-ara she is. I will list here the general things I’ve seen and make my rebuttal:
    Deserving to be Bullied: This one is undoubtedly the rarest, but also the most disgusting. I am not kidding you – I have actually heard (or read, really) that because Hwayoung was the new member, any unhappy things she may have experienced were entirely justified. I honestly feel that I shouldn’t have to counter this one, but suffice to say that that belief is so vile I’m not going to get into that mess. No one deserves to be unhappy, and anybody who says otherwise…I recommend counseling.
    Beauty Salon: This is a little more ambiguous. Because of Hwayoung’s injury, she was handicapped and unable to practice, and as such she was granted time to rest. The general belief is that because Hwayoung chose to go to a beauty salon, this generated ill feelings between the members – leading to the tweets that started all this.
    However, in this case I don’t see any fault in Hwayoung’s actions. Note that she was handicapped and that staying for practice would have been highly illogical when she could finally rest for once. The argument against this is that Hwayoung should have been at home resting and not at a beauty salon, implying that she was lying/faking. However, Hwayoung had a hurt ankle. She didn’t have both her kneecaps shattered or something; she was not immobile, and resting does not have to be lying in bed 24 hours a day. Hwayoung can do whatever she wants in her time off.
    Another argument I hear is that doing so was “bad timing” and that Hwayoung didn’t show “team spirit.” Again, this is fairly illogical – what could Hwayoung have even contributed to at the practice? Not to mention it’s hard to rest in a dance studio, as that was what she was supposed to be doing. When a highly overworked idol is given time to herself, she rests. The only bad timing in this is that we happened to find out now.
    Tweets: Aha, the tweets, one of the things that most aggravates people for some inexplicable reason. The reason these tweets upset people are because they are considered, and I quote “immature, hateful, arrogant, etc. etc.”
    Of course, a lot of us forget that the whole tweeting fiasco was actually started by Hyomin with the determination thing. I firmly believe that any problems between the members, if dealt with maturely, should not have been solved (or vented) on Twitter, but once someone starts…you can’t exactly just blame someone who follows. If Hwayoung’s tweet was immature, then so was everybody else’s, no?
    As for Hwayoung’s other tweet on the 28th (“The support of my family and my fans is worth so much to me.”), the same logic applies. Furthermore, most of us say that idols have the right to tweet about their feelings too, so I don’t see why this only doesn’t apply to Hwayoung. Now would probably be a good time for me to say I do believe Hwayoung was unhappy – and no, this does not mean I think T-ara are evil (do not be black and white about this, I can support both sides). The T-ara members might not even have realized they were ignoring Hwayoung in ways that hurt her, but nevertheless, she was unhappy – hence that tweet.
    The tweet on the 31st (“…facts without any truth”) was NOT immature, in any way. I am still incredulous over the fact that some people actually believe the crap KKS spewed, especially as most of the people who choose to believe him this instance are the same people who hate on him the loudest. KKS is a horribly incompetent liar, and seeing as he was flat-out slandering Hwayoung in his statements, Hwayoung had every right to fight back.
    Acting the Victim: I admit I don’t entirely understand this one, and I am definitely slipping into sarcasm here, but – sure, Hwayoung is acting the victim by throwing herself out of T-ara and quite possibly getting blacklisted in the entertainment industry. Read that to yourself and say you agree. Can’t do it, right? It’s just like saying that Eunjung’s acting the victim by throwing herself out of Five Fingers. It doesn’t make any sense.
    Again, Hwayoung is a victim, and T-ara is as well. There is no acting involved.
    Not Speaking Up: A lot of people argue that Hwayoung, if she really loved the T-ara members, should speak up and dispel all the rumors so everything clears up. I see this type of thing a lot: “Why doesn’t Hwayoung say something so people will like T-ara again?” or “The bullying isn’t true, so if Hwayoung would just say that then everything would be okay.”
    The most obvious reason Hwayoung hasn’t said she wasn’t bullied is – she was bullied, or was unhappy about bad communication within the group (more likely). Now, before anyone flies into a rage, I’d like to say this is all about perception. Hwayoung didn’t feel happy, ergo she doesn’t say anything. This is a very understandable reaction.
    Also, we can’t be sure Hwayoung even has the ability to speak up. Seeing as Hyoyoung is still in CCM, and combined with the fact that the company is a lot more powerful than Hwayoung, she may not be allowed to speak on the issue. Just because she hasn’t come out to clarify the issue (just like how the T-ara members didn’t until just recently) doesn’t mean Hwayoung’s some evil monster who enjoys seeing the group suffer.
    And again, I understand that some people are upset that Hwayoung’s fortunes seem to be better than T-ara’s, especially with her selcas and such – but, would you really rather see Hwayoung act all depressed?
    With that being said, I hope people can continue to support both T-ara and Hwayoung.
    However, supporting T-ara doesn’t mean flaming the haters.
    I wholly advocate stepping up and calmly and logically defending T-ara; but there is one thing I’ve seen that should not happen – fans banding together, intentionally seeking out the “haters,” and then attacking in a group. This is practically the definition of cyberbullying, and seeing as that is precisely what fans accuse the haters of doing…why sink to their level?
    There’s nothing wrong with defending T-ara, but the way it’s happening isn’t going to change any minds. I’m not going to name any names, but a large majority of the “defense” is comprised of vulgar insults and immature bashing, like calling them retards or b*tches. This. Isn’t. Helping. If anything, it makes us fans, and T-ara by extension, look even worse. What’s happening here is that people are using “defending T-ara” as an excuse to vent.
    I realize that fans are angry about these antis, but that isn’t an excuse. If I’m supposed to just let it go because fans are doing this out of anger, then that would mean condoning haters as well, and I try not to be a hypocrite.
    Please stay calm. And I apologize for this super-long post; I realize I’m being very verbose.
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    klee95 reacted to xkumakox in [DISC] Anti-Hwayoung and Bashing   
    Wow i actually read em all.phew.long post.indeed.
    As usual..T-ara hwaiting!!!
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    klee95 reacted to DanielTan in [DISC] Anti-Hwayoung and Bashing   
    @Klee, I see your points, I personally may not agree with all of them, but I understand that we should never do such thing like cyberbullying and bashing ppl around (sorry but I guess I have to exclude KKS here)
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    klee95 got a reaction from light-plus in [12.08.05] True or not, the public will only believe what they want about T-ara's bullying situation   
    As much as I agree with this...how is this news? If anything, this is an opinion piece. I'm not trying to be funny; I'm honestly confused.
    But one thing I'd like to point out - why do people insist on "hearing from T-ara"? You're obviously not expecting them to admit anything; they wouldn't be allowed anyhow. I fail to see why we cannot make our own conclusions, and people who say otherwise are trying to avoid what they do think.
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    klee95 got a reaction from maskingmark in [12.08.05] True or not, the public will only believe what they want about T-ara's bullying situation   
    As much as I agree with this...how is this news? If anything, this is an opinion piece. I'm not trying to be funny; I'm honestly confused.
    But one thing I'd like to point out - why do people insist on "hearing from T-ara"? You're obviously not expecting them to admit anything; they wouldn't be allowed anyhow. I fail to see why we cannot make our own conclusions, and people who say otherwise are trying to avoid what they do think.
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    klee95 got a reaction from Jjsnsdtara in [12.08.05] True or not, the public will only believe what they want about T-ara's bullying situation   
    As much as I agree with this...how is this news? If anything, this is an opinion piece. I'm not trying to be funny; I'm honestly confused.
    But one thing I'd like to point out - why do people insist on "hearing from T-ara"? You're obviously not expecting them to admit anything; they wouldn't be allowed anyhow. I fail to see why we cannot make our own conclusions, and people who say otherwise are trying to avoid what they do think.
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    klee95 got a reaction from aoikage in [POLL] Bullying - True or Not?   
    I actually made a post about this earlier, so here it is:
    Objectively speaking, I really do think there was bullying going on - I can't say for sure if there was anything physical going on (and I would very much like to think there was none), but bullying doesn't have to be physical. Being ostracized for a long time, feeling alone and unwanted...I personally think that feeling's even worse. Being an outcast for two years is torturous, even if it was just being ignored, and this alone is enough to merit any complaining on Hwayoung's part.
    I'm not going by those stupid gifs and whatnot, like Boram and the umbrella (like wtf is that). But if you seriously just LOOK at all the tweets and look at outside opinions, it becomes fairly obvious something was going on behind the scenes.
    First of all, people are arguing that they seem friendly on variety shows. Well, guess what - it's a variety show. Under no circumstance would T-ara actually show that they're bullying Hwa, unless they really have less brains than a rock. The sheer fact that we can observe 6Ara being less than comfortable/flat out awkward with Hwayoung tells A LOT. If that's the way they are while acting, you can imagine when the camera's not going.
    And if you look at the tweets. Okay, you can argue that Hwayoung was over-exaggerating, that she's being a drama queen. But guess what, it wasn't just her. Hyoyoung tweeted in support of her, rap instructors tweeted in support of her, a SBS PD tweeted in support of her. These people obviously know more about the situation than we do, and they're all rooting for Hwayoung.
    On the other hand, we have Lord KKS telling us there was no bullying going on. Pardon me for assuming this, but none of you liked him before this. I was part of the rather large group saying he was a liar and a creep, and there was maybe one or two people who said otherwise. So why are you all suddenly believing him? It's absolute delusion and hypocrisy to start going with what the man is saying just because he's protecting your precious idols.
    I mean, does he even make any sense? Why would CCM staff members complain about Hwayoung, when everybody else has nothing but praise? And for that matter, why would they complain about Hwayoung specifically when there're six other girls who I refuse to believe simply has so much better manners. I am a Jiyeon-stan, and even I will admit she has some attitude issues sometimes.
    Furthermore, KKS changes his story so often he has little to no credibility. First, their accounts were hacked - then he started explaining it. Now, it's actually all Hwayoung's fault, and he begins mudslinging like an elementary student; what he's saying isn't logical. Hwayoung wasn't popular enough to start acting like a diva without immediately getting kicked out. Also of note is the famous 'throwing crutches' business. Try throwing crutches when you can't stand without them, it doesn't work.
    That being said, I think the 'bullying' is true, though I wish it weren't. Still, I'm going to support T-ara and Hwayoung, and I hope others can do the same.
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    klee95 got a reaction from shirlyn611 in [POLL] Bullying - True or Not?   
    I actually made a post about this earlier, so here it is:
    Objectively speaking, I really do think there was bullying going on - I can't say for sure if there was anything physical going on (and I would very much like to think there was none), but bullying doesn't have to be physical. Being ostracized for a long time, feeling alone and unwanted...I personally think that feeling's even worse. Being an outcast for two years is torturous, even if it was just being ignored, and this alone is enough to merit any complaining on Hwayoung's part.
    I'm not going by those stupid gifs and whatnot, like Boram and the umbrella (like wtf is that). But if you seriously just LOOK at all the tweets and look at outside opinions, it becomes fairly obvious something was going on behind the scenes.
    First of all, people are arguing that they seem friendly on variety shows. Well, guess what - it's a variety show. Under no circumstance would T-ara actually show that they're bullying Hwa, unless they really have less brains than a rock. The sheer fact that we can observe 6Ara being less than comfortable/flat out awkward with Hwayoung tells A LOT. If that's the way they are while acting, you can imagine when the camera's not going.
    And if you look at the tweets. Okay, you can argue that Hwayoung was over-exaggerating, that she's being a drama queen. But guess what, it wasn't just her. Hyoyoung tweeted in support of her, rap instructors tweeted in support of her, a SBS PD tweeted in support of her. These people obviously know more about the situation than we do, and they're all rooting for Hwayoung.
    On the other hand, we have Lord KKS telling us there was no bullying going on. Pardon me for assuming this, but none of you liked him before this. I was part of the rather large group saying he was a liar and a creep, and there was maybe one or two people who said otherwise. So why are you all suddenly believing him? It's absolute delusion and hypocrisy to start going with what the man is saying just because he's protecting your precious idols.
    I mean, does he even make any sense? Why would CCM staff members complain about Hwayoung, when everybody else has nothing but praise? And for that matter, why would they complain about Hwayoung specifically when there're six other girls who I refuse to believe simply has so much better manners. I am a Jiyeon-stan, and even I will admit she has some attitude issues sometimes.
    Furthermore, KKS changes his story so often he has little to no credibility. First, their accounts were hacked - then he started explaining it. Now, it's actually all Hwayoung's fault, and he begins mudslinging like an elementary student; what he's saying isn't logical. Hwayoung wasn't popular enough to start acting like a diva without immediately getting kicked out. Also of note is the famous 'throwing crutches' business. Try throwing crutches when you can't stand without them, it doesn't work.
    That being said, I think the 'bullying' is true, though I wish it weren't. Still, I'm going to support T-ara and Hwayoung, and I hope others can do the same.
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    klee95 got a reaction from ♕ - in [12.07.31] T-ara's agency, "We will take legal action against creators of back-up dancer and trainee posts"   
    Stopped reading there. Cool story bro, I'm really happy for you and I'ma let you finish, but that is the biggest pile of shi-
    On the other hand, most of these articles are indeed pretty stupid. It's like people just have way too much time on their hands and have to make up stories to make themselves feel better, because they know something we didn't.
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    klee95 got a reaction from GeniEtheGENIE in [POLL] Bullying - True or Not?   
    I actually made a post about this earlier, so here it is:
    Objectively speaking, I really do think there was bullying going on - I can't say for sure if there was anything physical going on (and I would very much like to think there was none), but bullying doesn't have to be physical. Being ostracized for a long time, feeling alone and unwanted...I personally think that feeling's even worse. Being an outcast for two years is torturous, even if it was just being ignored, and this alone is enough to merit any complaining on Hwayoung's part.
    I'm not going by those stupid gifs and whatnot, like Boram and the umbrella (like wtf is that). But if you seriously just LOOK at all the tweets and look at outside opinions, it becomes fairly obvious something was going on behind the scenes.
    First of all, people are arguing that they seem friendly on variety shows. Well, guess what - it's a variety show. Under no circumstance would T-ara actually show that they're bullying Hwa, unless they really have less brains than a rock. The sheer fact that we can observe 6Ara being less than comfortable/flat out awkward with Hwayoung tells A LOT. If that's the way they are while acting, you can imagine when the camera's not going.
    And if you look at the tweets. Okay, you can argue that Hwayoung was over-exaggerating, that she's being a drama queen. But guess what, it wasn't just her. Hyoyoung tweeted in support of her, rap instructors tweeted in support of her, a SBS PD tweeted in support of her. These people obviously know more about the situation than we do, and they're all rooting for Hwayoung.
    On the other hand, we have Lord KKS telling us there was no bullying going on. Pardon me for assuming this, but none of you liked him before this. I was part of the rather large group saying he was a liar and a creep, and there was maybe one or two people who said otherwise. So why are you all suddenly believing him? It's absolute delusion and hypocrisy to start going with what the man is saying just because he's protecting your precious idols.
    I mean, does he even make any sense? Why would CCM staff members complain about Hwayoung, when everybody else has nothing but praise? And for that matter, why would they complain about Hwayoung specifically when there're six other girls who I refuse to believe simply has so much better manners. I am a Jiyeon-stan, and even I will admit she has some attitude issues sometimes.
    Furthermore, KKS changes his story so often he has little to no credibility. First, their accounts were hacked - then he started explaining it. Now, it's actually all Hwayoung's fault, and he begins mudslinging like an elementary student; what he's saying isn't logical. Hwayoung wasn't popular enough to start acting like a diva without immediately getting kicked out. Also of note is the famous 'throwing crutches' business. Try throwing crutches when you can't stand without them, it doesn't work.
    That being said, I think the 'bullying' is true, though I wish it weren't. Still, I'm going to support T-ara and Hwayoung, and I hope others can do the same.
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    klee95 got a reaction from breakingheart_ in [12.07.31] T-ara's agency, "We will take legal action against creators of back-up dancer and trainee posts"   
    Stopped reading there. Cool story bro, I'm really happy for you and I'ma let you finish, but that is the biggest pile of shi-
    On the other hand, most of these articles are indeed pretty stupid. It's like people just have way too much time on their hands and have to make up stories to make themselves feel better, because they know something we didn't.
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    klee95 got a reaction from breakingheart_ in [12.07.31] Kim Kwangsoo, "Hwayoung and Hyoyoung's parents understand my decision"   
    How kind Lord Kwangsoo is to compliment Hwayoung's talent now, after slinging mud her way with all those allegations before. Hell, he's still mentioning it now! How exactly does one throw crutches without falling first? She needed them to stand.
    That's really all he wanted to say.
    I also find it difficult to imagine that Hwayoung's parents 'understand' that their daughter was being bullied and got kicked out of the group, followed by KKS slandering her character, but I suppose money solves everything. KKS is releasing way more statements than Hwayoung...shows a lot about who's more concerned about damage control.
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    klee95 got a reaction from Rui in [POLL] Bullying - True or Not?   
    There's pretty solid evidence already in favor of there being bullying - but there's far less for otherwise, although I would very much welcome if you could convince me that there was not. I honestly wish there wasn't any bullying going on. I was not basing my conclusion based on rumors and stupid gifs, but actual posts from people who know what they're talking about - unless you think Hwayoung, Hyoyoung, and all the instructors/PDs/people in the know are coming together to make one giant lie.
    I'm sorry if you think that people who can accept there was bullying going on isn't uniting; but I think it's best if we can come to terms with it. Simply denying it isn't going to help anyone either, and if anything it's just saying that bullying is okay because us fans will support you anyways. T-ara isn't perfect, and they can still grow as people.
    As for the group's survival...yes, that's something I'm worried about too. I'm not quite sure how they can get bounce back from this one. It seems like the only thing left is to just come out and apologize, but I doubt KKS will allow it.
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    klee95 got a reaction from LeeLyRi_2012 in [POLL] Is this wrong?   
    Do I advocate it? No.
    Is it wrong? No. It's their property, they can do what they want with it. I mean, it's completely stupid because it helps nobody and you're wasting your money, but if you like \o/
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    klee95 got a reaction from MissDedo in [12.07.31] T-ara's agency, "We will take legal action against creators of back-up dancer and trainee posts"   
    Stopped reading there. Cool story bro, I'm really happy for you and I'ma let you finish, but that is the biggest pile of shi-
    On the other hand, most of these articles are indeed pretty stupid. It's like people just have way too much time on their hands and have to make up stories to make themselves feel better, because they know something we didn't.
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    klee95 reacted to Ree in [POLL] Bullying - True or Not?   
    Eh, Hyomin was totally playing up to an image on Invincible Youth. Variety works by exaggerating things in real life. When Hyomin first joined Invincible Youth, she was with people like Sunny and Yuri (SNSD), Hara (KARA), and Hyuna (who created quite a name for herself despite debuting as the same year as Hyomin), so I'm not surprised that she was a bit of a pushover around them. They took that and exaggerated it for the sake of entertainment. Of course, in the second season, she had to carry that image over despite no longer being a rookie and her group being significantly successful. When it comes to T-ARA, well, she's one of the most popular members, one of the most well known, one of the more talented ones, and an original member, so it makes sense that she'd be a lot more vibrant and straight forward. One thing that's consistent is her desperate cries for attention though. I'm not saying this to hate on her, I think she genuinely is a bit of a loser and I find it endearing, she's my favourite member of the band and was one of my favourite females in K-pop, but IY reminds me that Hyomin is able to show different sides of her pretty naturally, and that it's not beyond her at all to be able to fake being buddy-buddy with Hwa on shows.
    Um, right, the question. I'm pretty sure they bullied her, at the least, there was some isolation going on. But I'm not going to jump straight out and call them bitches -- even though netizens are all about that (digging up the past pics of Hyomin being a delinquent). We all know the kind of crap KKS pulls, we all know how much stress T-ARA goes through, I'm not surprised this happened. Instead of an environment that's about teamwork to pull through, it's about being the last one standing. They're in a battle royal-esque situation, and so what do they do? Pick on the weakest.
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    klee95 got a reaction from babybooboo in [12.07.31] T-ara's agency, "We will take legal action against creators of back-up dancer and trainee posts"   
    Stopped reading there. Cool story bro, I'm really happy for you and I'ma let you finish, but that is the biggest pile of shi-
    On the other hand, most of these articles are indeed pretty stupid. It's like people just have way too much time on their hands and have to make up stories to make themselves feel better, because they know something we didn't.
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    klee95 got a reaction from Soyeonx3 in [12.07.31] T-ara's agency, "We will take legal action against creators of back-up dancer and trainee posts"   
    Stopped reading there. Cool story bro, I'm really happy for you and I'ma let you finish, but that is the biggest pile of shi-
    On the other hand, most of these articles are indeed pretty stupid. It's like people just have way too much time on their hands and have to make up stories to make themselves feel better, because they know something we didn't.
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    klee95 got a reaction from babybooboo in [12.07.31] Kim Kwangsoo, "Hwayoung and Hyoyoung's parents understand my decision"   
    How kind Lord Kwangsoo is to compliment Hwayoung's talent now, after slinging mud her way with all those allegations before. Hell, he's still mentioning it now! How exactly does one throw crutches without falling first? She needed them to stand.
    That's really all he wanted to say.
    I also find it difficult to imagine that Hwayoung's parents 'understand' that their daughter was being bullied and got kicked out of the group, followed by KKS slandering her character, but I suppose money solves everything. KKS is releasing way more statements than Hwayoung...shows a lot about who's more concerned about damage control.
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    klee95 got a reaction from Grimlock in [POLL] Bullying - True or Not?   
    This. XDDD
    Yes, I really do think Hwa should debut as a solo rapper right now. Most of her 'fans' admittedly are just hopping on the bandwagon, but she could definitely ride the hype to a large measure of success. She should take advantage of this situation while she can heh. Also, Hwayoung's being pretty smart by not responding much, just simple tweets. She looks very likable, compared to KKS mudslinging at every opportunity and trying to look good about it. That turtleneck aint' flyin'.
    Well, Nam Gyuri did try, I guess...just didn't really work out that well.
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    klee95 reacted to Grimlock in [POLL] Bullying - True or Not?   
    I'm not liking your post cause you agree with me [though that's just as cool], I liked it cause you're a Nana fan LOL. I'm just glad Hwayoung isn't going down without a fight. Nam Gyuri received similar treatment from KKS and she let them win. She never got the fans on her side like Hwayoung did.
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    klee95 got a reaction from Grimlock in [POLL] Bullying - True or Not?   
    First - NANA! a;dsfja;ldfj
    Ahem. I agree with Grimlock (again). Of course, one might argue that just as Nana appeared to be okay with the teasing, Hwayoung didn't take offense either; but that's only because Hwayoung was acting that way. Again, it's a variety show - and it's unlikely for anyone to make their real feelings known. Would Hwa really have exploded in the middle of a show and gotten herself kicked out? Probably not.
    However, judging by her reaction now, it seems like she just couldn't take it anymore. I am still of the belief that maybe the T-ara members might have intended for Hwa to feel bad through their actions (but not to the extent some antis would paint, they're not sadistic monsters), but either way it doesn't matter. Hwayoung was bullied because she suffered during her time in the group.
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    klee95 got a reaction from ddrc in [POLL] Bullying - True or Not?   
    I actually made a post about this earlier, so here it is:
    Objectively speaking, I really do think there was bullying going on - I can't say for sure if there was anything physical going on (and I would very much like to think there was none), but bullying doesn't have to be physical. Being ostracized for a long time, feeling alone and unwanted...I personally think that feeling's even worse. Being an outcast for two years is torturous, even if it was just being ignored, and this alone is enough to merit any complaining on Hwayoung's part.
    I'm not going by those stupid gifs and whatnot, like Boram and the umbrella (like wtf is that). But if you seriously just LOOK at all the tweets and look at outside opinions, it becomes fairly obvious something was going on behind the scenes.
    First of all, people are arguing that they seem friendly on variety shows. Well, guess what - it's a variety show. Under no circumstance would T-ara actually show that they're bullying Hwa, unless they really have less brains than a rock. The sheer fact that we can observe 6Ara being less than comfortable/flat out awkward with Hwayoung tells A LOT. If that's the way they are while acting, you can imagine when the camera's not going.
    And if you look at the tweets. Okay, you can argue that Hwayoung was over-exaggerating, that she's being a drama queen. But guess what, it wasn't just her. Hyoyoung tweeted in support of her, rap instructors tweeted in support of her, a SBS PD tweeted in support of her. These people obviously know more about the situation than we do, and they're all rooting for Hwayoung.
    On the other hand, we have Lord KKS telling us there was no bullying going on. Pardon me for assuming this, but none of you liked him before this. I was part of the rather large group saying he was a liar and a creep, and there was maybe one or two people who said otherwise. So why are you all suddenly believing him? It's absolute delusion and hypocrisy to start going with what the man is saying just because he's protecting your precious idols.
    I mean, does he even make any sense? Why would CCM staff members complain about Hwayoung, when everybody else has nothing but praise? And for that matter, why would they complain about Hwayoung specifically when there're six other girls who I refuse to believe simply has so much better manners. I am a Jiyeon-stan, and even I will admit she has some attitude issues sometimes.
    Furthermore, KKS changes his story so often he has little to no credibility. First, their accounts were hacked - then he started explaining it. Now, it's actually all Hwayoung's fault, and he begins mudslinging like an elementary student; what he's saying isn't logical. Hwayoung wasn't popular enough to start acting like a diva without immediately getting kicked out. Also of note is the famous 'throwing crutches' business. Try throwing crutches when you can't stand without them, it doesn't work.
    That being said, I think the 'bullying' is true, though I wish it weren't. Still, I'm going to support T-ara and Hwayoung, and I hope others can do the same.
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