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  7. [13.12.16] Latest Update - Korean Wave Indonesia: T-ara #1 Kpop Girl Band & Number 9 Kpop Song of the Year

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    Wow, it's nice to know.

    And yes I second heraldc's wish... if only those 3.6mil translated into revenues :P

    if only Gaon charts count in iTunes sales...

    What does it mean? Indonesian fans bought their stuff on iTunes?

    Even if, let's say, the majority of those 3.6mil voters didn't buy T-ara's albums or digital songs, I bet big chunk of them could be very good audience for a solo concert. I heard SM artists love having shows there, too.

  11. [DISC] How T-ara are getting the love back: A look at sales numbers

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    Isn't it Hide and Seek on 31st December?

    Don't tell me this song was supposed to be included in 1977 Again album but excluded again because CCM want to do another comeback/release.

    Within less than 6 months T-ara would have 3 releases. Can we sense CCM's desperation now? They, too, probably are aware of how little they sell this time around. So, launching 3 title-track-comebacks are probably their all-out options: better spend more and have 3 full promo cycles rather than save a little but risk the other 2 songs (DYKM and H&S) unheard of (not selling as title tracks).

    Hopefully DYKM is having good reception, and H&S will do even better.

  13. [DISC] How T-ara are getting the love back: A look at sales numbers

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    Great work on this compilation.

    It should be noted for clarification sake that since Jan this year, there was a change in prices and Gaon's system thus the overall decrease in all Digital Aggregates. The $0.003 value I believe you used is no longer the exact number and sadly no one knows the current figure.

    I think it'd serve as better data if a separate chart was made for songs post-Jan 2013 as comparing them with pre-Jan 2013 would be inaccurate.

    Z you are so right about Gaon's changes in their prices and calculation systems. They are infamous for this among music sales fans.

    But since no one knows the new figure, and very likely it's a lower amount, for the sake of a light discussion I used the $0.003. If we're to use the new lower amount then it will look much gloomier on the chart.

    Also, many music sales discussions out there don't seem to be too concerned about it (yet) since probably we can use the DAs points for the subject of comparison instead of the revenue conversion.

  14. [DISC] How T-ara are getting the love back: A look at sales numbers

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    Hey there, I'm not sure if I fully understood your comment.

    Does any of this really help anything? Those stats are a year and a half old because they only measure up to Sexy Love.

    What helps what? Does my post help anything? If you asked will my post help T-ara? The asnwer is 'No'. I posted it purely for the purpose of information.

    Which stats are a year and a half old? If you meant Gaon's numbers, yes apparently the oldest stats available right now is the last week of Dec 2012.

    Since then the girls had two successful promotions in Japan, 2 subunit singles which performed very respectably and now two new Korean releases which are also doing very well.

    My apologies for not clarifying what I'm talking about in my post. It's all about Korean activities. I didn't touch Japanese numbers because I never followed that venue closely enough to say anything. I can't read Kanji, so researching on Oricon website would be a headache, while Gaon provides English option.

    You gotta let the past go at some point because holding onto it is unhealthy.

    I'm not sure which past you were referring here. I did not dwell upon the scandal itself. But if by 'past' you meant the sales numbers, then every statistics is the past. Again, my post is only aiming to lay out the data available out there in an easier-to-see-and-understand way.

    I have definitely let go of the 'past' (scandal) as I'm too happy with T-ara's return as a 6-member group ^_^

    T-ara just need to make more great music since good products sells itself, like JWD that song is so good even the haters secretly buys them in guilty pleasure.

    That's what I thought, too LOL. N4 really punched haters in the face, twice.

  16. [DISC] How T-ara are getting the love back: A look at sales numbers

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    Not sure about all of you but it feels like the girls are coming back to the Korean music scene. No. 9 pretty much garnered back support for our girls but of course they're not back to the shape they were once in. Hopefully after a long period of time, the superficiality of people start to wear off and 1977 would really help them get back at least to the top tiers. Their hard work deserves to be paid off, no matter what happened before, not to mention the quality of music and live performances that they had delivered despite the busy schedules and minimal rest that they received.

    True true about the quality of music. It's too sad if the music is overshadowed by superficial sentiments.

  17. [DISC] How T-ara are getting the love back: A look at sales numbers

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    Hey, Diadems, yo!

    I'm sure you all are jamming to T-ara's latest release 'Do You Know Me' Monday to Sunday nowadays. Because, what should I do, it's just too catchy!

    It's only a couple of months since T-ara came back with their signature upbeat ballad sad love song 'No. 9'. And it is only a little over one year since the scandal that made T-ara break down in tears.

    Now that their tears have turned into pearls, has the heat turned into love for the girls as well?

    By looking at things at a glance, T-ara seem to have been 'accepted' back to the place where they belong, entertainment industry. However, looking at certain facts a little deeper might give us a hint at how well T-ara are doing in regaining their position in the industry at the moment.

    And sales figures are what would be helpful in this exercise.

    I have compiled the Digital Aggregates (DAs) points (aggregates from Digital Song Downloads, Mobile/Ringtone Downloads, Video Streamings, and Background Music Downloads) for each title track for the first 4 weeks (F4W) since each release, and also the album sales numbers since release to October 2013. All data is derived from Gaon chart.

    *I wasn't able to obtain the weekly DAs for Sexy Love. Gaon archive doesn't wanna go back that far and I lost the weekly data I had back then.

    *I only compiled the data for releases after (and including) Day By Day because that was pretty much the period where the scandal first broke out, and that's what's going to matter in the remaining time of T-ara's career.

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    Day By Day - At US$413,061 worth of title track sales for the F4W since its release, T-ara were still the Top Tier group back then, among boy groups and especially girl groups. Album sales (since release thru Oct 2013) are not amazing, knowing T-ara's power to sell past 50,000 units. I'm not sure how much the scandal contributed to the low sales.

    Sexy Love - Either the public didn't like Sexy Love that much (which I don't think was the case because Sexy Love follows T-ara's previously catchy songs formula) or the scandal hurt the sales badly enough. Revenues from the song's F4W sales were down by almost 40% compared to those of Day By Day. Worth mentioning is the fact that Mirage still sold 832 units in 2013, while Day By Day saw no sales at all! I was thinking of a 'sold out album' scenario, but after checking on Yesasia I found out it was Mirage that was no longer available.

    Jeon Weon Diary - Just when people thought T-ara would be laying low, CCM released sub-unit N4 with their not-so-haters-friendly-song. As expected but quite surprisingly, at least to me, was that fact that they managed to sell the title song for roughly 60% of Sexy Love's sales figure in the F4W period. JWD album sales are very poor for T-ara's standard, but lo and behold, it's among the highest selling album in 2013! It even beats (newly) digital monster like SISTAR and SISTAR19, also 4Minute. It's also only ~9,000 units less than IU's Modern Time album sales that charted most of its songs.

    If anything, I would expect Jeon Weon Diary (both song and album) to flop due to the harsh nature of the song to some listeners. But no, I guess the public were more excited about T-ara N4 punching haters in the face then they were about T-ara's normal comeback.

    No. 9 - Thus, this very typical T-ara sounding song didn't do so well during its F4W. As if it's the trend with T-ara's title songs after the scandal, No. 9 sales were down 40% (again) from their latest Jeon Weon Diary sales, although the album manages to sell 24,882 units thus far, catching up with JWD album sales.

    I Know The Feeling - Despite the low digital sales of this song, it's a nice feat to see the second title tract made the chart.

    Some of you might ask, "Why looking at the sales numbers for the first 4 weeks?"

    According to some Kpop music and sales aficionado out there, the F4W time frame is the period where a song normally shows its attention grabbing power, turning listeners into buyers. An explosive F4W record would suggest the song will become a chart topper, although it's no guarantee that the song will remain on the chart for a long period of time. Case in point is Roly Poly whose F4W sales weren't too spectacular but it had the longevity power to keep charting until the year end.

    Also, some would use F4W sales numbers as an indication of how well received the song is by the vast audience beyond the group's exclusive fans.

    The graph below shows how T-ara's title songs digital sales and albums sales fluctuate since scandal.

    The steep drop is very obvious in the period between the release of Day By Day and Mirage. T-ara's recent Again album manages to bring more (estimated) revenues because it's priced higher than JWD album, although selling ~4,000 units less.

    *I used Yesasia List Price for the album price.

    The trend for T-ara's title tracks F4W sales numbers is nothing fun to look at. Nuff said.

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    Still from the graph above, albums sales seem to bring more revenues compared to title track digital sales. And if what Kpop fans out there say is any true that those who purchase albums are loyal fans who really follow the group, it's sad yet still good to see how many (or little) 'loyal fans' remain to support T-ara.

    As normally the case with repackage albums that sell less than the original releases, I'm doubtful Again 1977 would surpass 20,000 mark. But I'm truly wishing I'll be proven wrong.

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    Although it's not an amazing number for T-ara's class, it's still great to see how Again album outsells earlier releases of notable groups as pictured in the table above.

    Here is how T-ara's title tracks rank annually based on Gaon sales data.

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    Well, let's hope things turn out for the better for our beloved T-ara. As much as we want them around for as long as possible, or however much they want to keep entertaining us, it's all about the money money money that CCM care about.

    The more we support them, the more revenues they make, and that means a happy KKS, and that means he'll most likely keep T-ara around a bit longer, and that means happy fans.

    So, Diadems, keep supporting T-ara... day by day, again... and again 1977... alright, this pun is getting out of place.

    :D

    *Please let me know if I missed any point.

    Data Sources: Gaon, Yesasia

    EDIT 1

    Summary and Notes:

    1. Digital sales. Ever since Day By Day, the trend for title tracks' Digital Aggregates (online sales) seems to be that every new release would have a 40% lower sales than the previous release.

    2. Album sales. Ever since Day By Day, the units sold have have seen a declining trend as well. However, due to the nature of much higher sale prices for the albums, the estimated revenues saw relatively stable figures every release although all releases after Day By Day only sold roughly 50% as much. Note: Again sales numbers are only a couple of months old, we might see little additions in the future.

    3. Gaon's pricing and calculation systems for Digital Aggregates have always been changing. And most recently the rumor is that Gaon changed their systems again in January 2013 (thanks to Z for pointing that out). I still used the previously known value of $0.003/Digital Aggregate point. With this in mind, digital sales revenues that are converted from DAs are only to serve as a rough estimate. However, the DAs themselves could still serve as a good measure of the vast audience acceptance of a particular song.

    EDIT 2

    Gaon Digital Aggregates Points / Song Download Counts for F4W Period

    Do You Know Me

    1. 5,693,093 / 80,602

    2. 3,592.931 / 45,435

    3. 1,998,990 / 24,283

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