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But if the comeback is certain, well, at least, do not promote it. T-ara is an established group so they won't have any problems with it.
Or was CCM scared of unknown entities, which is themselves?
A comeback has always been there prior to the unfortunate events that happened after their Day By Day promotions. I do enjoy our girls work.
I do not believe that Core Contents Media is scared, let alone be afraid of themselves. It won't make any sense whatsoever as a company that must earn income and upkeep its employees' wages, among other critical factors to go on.I think it's too soon.Everyone keeps saying netizens are evil people who will hate t-ara no matter what. But not all those "netizens" are haters, even if they acted like them. During the controversy I saw videos & post of people who i found to be genuinely good people, who cared about people (therefore so much about hwa), but were just terribly misinformed.
They need to give it time for the people who got tricked into disliking/hating to find out that they were tricked. The scandal swept across the net like a wildfire, but the information discrediting the rumors are scarce. It'll take time before the misinformed become informed.
It's best to wait till those good hearted but misinformed netizens become informed so we can all love and support T-ara together.
True, I came across some good standing fans from that area, although quite a few from that region of the fandom. But I think most of them right now have finally realized the "truth" that they made the mistake and now seeking redemption and forgiveness. We as fans of T-ara are understanding and forgiving, and welcome our brethren back. I agree, it's going to take some time, and during that time we must be steadfast and ready to inform them whenever a mistake is made on their parts in these
unfortunate events. Eventually, all of the haters and antis will be nonexistent and a past history.
i guess ccm really need money know..well, t-ara is the best product for them..gosh..the controversy is still not end yet..i just hope t-ara wouldn't have to suffer more or get bashing more..poor t-ara..i though t-ara could get some rest or holiday..although i miss t-ara so much,but this is too much..ok..whatsoever, i will always support t-ara no matter what..hope the best for t-ara..hwaiting..It's not just Core Contents Media, it's also for our girls too. With all of the backlashes that happened to them, I'm sure this has affected them financially too. I hope no further setbacks happens to them. Hopefully soon, our dear Hwayoung will reunite with our girls, and together, make their comeback another huge success for everybody to enjoy once again.
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*Standing ovation*
Hopefully one day, our T-ara has a movie of their own with all of the members (Of course Hwayoung too.), including Jiwon and Jiae, and have all of the actors, actresses, and friends who supported our girls and the fans, be a part of it as well.
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If they are coming back now , they will just get more hatred by dem nasty netizens but it might not backfire if they ignore the haters and show are determined they are. All the best for T-ara
Hopefully security will be there to weed them out and ensure a safe, enjoyable, and working environment for everybody in attendance for the performance.
I'm beginning to believe that there's not that much antis anymore. -
A few thoughts occurred to me, not too long ago, . . .
What if things are getting better over there to have our girls performance next week?
What if the amount of complaints and hatred towards our girls have died down enough to accept a performance from them?
What if all of the antis have finally ceased their activities against our girls, and finally joined up with the rest of the fandom to welcome back our girls?
What if our Hwayoung is going to reunite with our T-ara very, very soon?
We'll see, yes?
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Oh, so this schedule was actually anticipating their "Sexy Love" comeback. That's why this is not confirmed after those reschedules. Well, I hope our dear Hwayoung reunites with our girls soon.
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Will there be flowers, or vegetables, or nothing?
Will there be screams of love and support, including fan chants, or boos and death threats?
Will Hwayoung be there, or not?
I guess there's only one way to find out, yes? We'll see what happens at the performance.
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I think we're way pass the tweets at this point, given how both Soyeon and Hwayoung have stated that there was no bullying. Sure, they could've immediately gone back to their twitter accounts, right after they made those messages to each other, and make things more clear about them for those who didn't understand, however, given the nature of the tweets, it shouldn't have been misunderstood, in the first place. Even though we don't place ourselves in their shoes, but from their statements offer an explanation as to why they didn't. So it would be quite understood from their point of view to be confused and quite shocked (The given statements from Soyeon and Hwayoung.) at all of the allegations being made up out of something that clearly was not an indication about bullying, let alone ostracizing a member from the group.
It doesn't really surprise me that much that others are still calling for a "Press Conference" to address the tweets. As for the "evidence" that started spilling forth not long after them, from the depths of the evil abyss, ended up obviously debunked, discredited, and denounced back from whence it came. As I stated elsewhere, it wouldn't make any sense for them to logically have a media circus event on this issue, when there's a contingent that won't take their word of truth, based on all of the aftermath that soon followed both Soyeon's interview and Hwayoung's recent tweets, including Hwayoung's friend, twin sister Hyoyoung, and both Jiyeon's and Eunjung's mother. It is unfortunate that Kim Kwang Soo ended up as the boy who cried wolf, one too many times, and thus hardly anybody listens to him, even if he did tell the truth from time to time. I'm not saying I'm siding with him, though, I will point out, at least the man can and does change his decisions in what he's doing, and actually believes in second chances and to do better next time. If others don't want him to have another chance, then simply cooperate with the police, and the authorities, get an investigation going that will gather all essential evidence which will get a solid guilty conviction in court that sends him to jail for a very long time, and cannot do business in the entertainment industry ever again, even if he gets released at an earlier time.
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So CCM and KKS don't clean the mess up and until Hwa admit that it was "all" her fault then maybe they will start cleaning it up....that's all I'm seeing right now....(_. _!)
But, Kim Kwang Soo and Hwayoung met each other not long after the "misunderstanding" started, and he publicly stated for Hwayoung her apologies and still welcomes her back to the group.
I dont consider myself either an idiot or an anti, but Hwayoung not specifically denying that there was bullying involved annoys me. In fact, her whole recent behavior and the consequences it had, is rather annoying. Why can't she be explicit to quench those rumors?Perhaps this online media article might help here.
Brave move from Hwayoung (though I've would've prefer that she done it sooner and I agree she didn't have to be so vauge)Seems pretty clear about it.
I hope CCM would use this momentum to at least hammer down Hwayoung's message by letting the T-ara members talk & defend their selves in a public forum.. If this is too much for some of the girls, let the parents read written statements (KKS should not go anywhere near the mic)... apparently right now in Korea keeping silent means admitting that you are guilty, which is what the Hundae Lovers PD was saying when she criticized CCM (lying makes stuff worse, KKS you idiot).I always thought that people will ease off this issue since the evidences were so bogus but I guess somebody from T-ara needs to step up to the plate and face the media storm (I vote Soyeon as spokesperson since she handled the Chosun Ilbo interview so deftly with the rest of the members there for support)..
Doubtful that our girls will do a press conference due to the negative reactions towards our Hwayoung's recent tweets. It's pretty easy to understand that if they won't listen to what either Soyeon and/or Hwayoung publicly stated, why should the others speak up about the whole matter in the first place? The opposition against our girls needs to completely halt their activities permanently, "if they want a T-ara Press Conference".
Those people need to realize that Soyeon and now Hwayoung weren't silent at all, and their irascibility continues to hurt our girls with no remorse or care.
i'm glad she tweeted but as usual netizens always come up with something to twist her tweet which is so annoying.. i still prefer Hwayoung & T-ara to have their own press conference (w/out CCM interfering please) and tell what exactly happened that day.. EVERYTHING from the reason why Hwayoung refuse to perform from how T-ara felt that pushed them to tweet like that.. the whole thing that happened that day on music bank where all of this started.. Then if there was indeed no bullying then completely deny it on the conference and tell what relationship & friendship they had during those 20 months Hwayoung became T-ara.. After that they could answer some of reporters follow up questions like they're thought on the 'evidence' netizens came up etc..THIS IS THE ONLY WAY I AM SEEING THEY COULD BE SAVE!! TO TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH TOGETHER AS A GROUP AGAIN!! ofcourse some antis would probably not believe it & still hate, but this could stop netizens from cyber bullying them & spreading false rumors..
Soyeon, and now Hwayoung, clearly stated that those fabricated lies that antis call "evidence", is nothing more than a bunch of "fabricated lies". As long as the antis continue their hateful assaults on our girls, that "Press Conference" they are calling for, won't happen. Either they back off from our girls right now, or forever dwell in the darkness of the moronic.
seeing this... my feels.. such mixed emotions lol im happy that Hwa finally spoke up but at the same time it makes me sad to see because she's no longer in T-ara ;___; i just hope Netizens will finally listen but they probably wont.. Gahh Hwayoung T__T i misses herT__TIn her tweets, she is still hopefully and looking forward to even more better days ahead. So, there's a chance that she'll return soon.
I'll just play this idea, . . . just for fun, . . .
Ryu: "Look! There's a secret message in Hwayoung's recent tweets."
Fan: "Where?"
Ryu: "The '이티만또' there, and the '하이사많' right there."
Fan: "What does that mean?"
Ryu: "Well, the '하이' means 'high'. The '사' means 'temple'. This '많', . . . I have no idea, but I'm pretty sure it means something, . . . maybe it's a sentence particle. But anyways, '이" means 'this'. And '티만' means 'thiamine', which is a vitamin of the B complex, found in unrefined grains, beans, and liver, a deficiency of which causes beriberi. It is a sulfur-containing derivative of thiazole and pyrimidine. Also called vitamin B1. Lastly, '또' means 'again'."
Fan: "So what does it say altogether then?"
Ryu: "The high temple is this vitamin B again. Or, . . . again this vitamin B is the temple high."
Fan: "Oh."
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is this news posted already?!
Now it is, but I'm not sure when a thread of its own will be made, hopefully soon.
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There seems to be a lot of people protesting for T-ara to be edited out or eliminated from shows and performances recently. I'm just wondering if there is a central forum thread where all T-ara supporters can come together to protest for T-ara to NOT be edited out or eliminated. I'm sure if all the supporters came together at one central location then there would be a louder voice instead of mutiple threads consisting of fewer supporters. United we Stand, Divided we Fall. I really want this to happen. T-ara Haters have found a way to unite and voice their opinion, so why can't T-ara Supporters come together and drown out all the Hate? We don't need to resort to bashing or making threats. We just need to let the TV Stations know that we exist and that they should cater to us over all the Haters. They must know that we're willing to invest both our time and money into their Stations unlike all the Haters who just want T-ara removed then will never actually tune into the Stations or buy the products that are endorsed. This also applies to the advertising companies that have ended their relationships with T-ara over this Controversy. Any thoughts?
All I can recall are these 2 threads in the discussion section of this forum here and here. I hope this helps.
T_T this really suck.... does it really matter that they are cameos? why are people so cruel T_Taside from all this xxxx.. does people feel bad for dani? although she is not officially in the group yet, i wonder how much of this is effecting her life O_O i mean for god sake she is only 14! how will she handle it... does anyone have an articles or something related to her???
The only news about or even related to her about this, is Core Contents Media stating that she'll debut this December, as an official T-ara member. I don't think this has affected her that much, but definitely she's learning about the cultural aspects of her new job/career over there, especially from this angle as an idol. I can strangely imagine Dani using the perfect excuse on reporters though, . . . "I'm new here.", and then excuses herself and walks away.
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I really don't see the point of adding two more members. The group is fine as it is.
Becoming more better, stronger, and being able to overcome even more challenges still ahead of them.
Yup, still waiting for our dear Hwayoung to return to our T-ara soon.
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The most obvious reason Hwayoung hasn't said she wasn't bullied is - she was bullied, or was unhappy about bad communication within the group (more likely). Now, before anyone flies into a rage, I'd like to say this is all about perception. Hwayoung didn't feel happy, ergo she doesn't say anything. This is a very understandable reaction.
Up to this point I agree and more, but on this, another most obvious reason for Hwayoung not speaking about this from her point of view is she wasn't bullied, as Soyeon even pointed out in her interview from her perspective. She could've been unhappy about her injury, and I agree it is about perception, although, I humbly disagree with this assessment.
However, supporting T-ara doesn't mean flaming the haters.The same goes for the haters going after the supporters.
why sink to their level?Oh, how many times I've read and heard this question over and over again, when a civil war breaks out amongst fandoms, and if not in countries around the world. I'm not sure if this question will be ever answered in our life time, given how most tend to remind others how faults are the inevitability of humans, and then forget, who started all of this "misunderstanding". The fans? Or the antis?
What's happening here is that people are using "defending T-ara" as an excuse to vent.Everybody's got issues I suppose. *shrugs*
I realize that fans are angry about these antis, but that isn't an excuse. If I'm supposed to just let it go because fans are doing this out of anger, then that would mean condoning haters as well, and I try not to be a hypocrite.When I was a mere child, I too struggled with the notions of doing more good than harm. Make mistakes, end up being rather sad and cry, because the heart was in the right place, but just didn't know how to do it in the way everybody is happy, unharmed, and safe. I'm pretty sure everybody went through this, if not, going through with it no matter what sides they are taking on these issues with our dearly beloved girls. Some point out that even the White Knight can be mistaken for the Black Knight, or vice versa, and that murder is murder, even if it was found and proven to be justifiable, especially in the lettering and spirit of the law. Most times it goes unnoticed that both sides try to fight in the name of patriotism and freedom, as well as justice, only their goals are rather different, including their targets. On a social, if not political, nature, some would point out how dangerously we all are in becoming hypocrites, if not one already. It then all boils down to the end of it. How it'll turn out afterwards. Many play the prophet games, and at times make risky bets for ego boastings and bragging rights, even though that doesn't really matter when the dust from all the shelling and bombing has ended, and everyone else are still counting the dead. If there's a peaceful way to do things, especially when it comes to protestings, we sure haven't found it yet.
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no. reasons:
- less line in the song for boram
- less screen time for boram
- unfair to boram
no, seriously, adding another members, while they're in the middle of crazy packed schedule esp with gangnam style ceo threatening them, will only create unhealthy competitiveness and tension between members. it's soo basic and obvious. jealousy and discrepancy aren't something shameful, it's very humane. how kks pulled on this kind of crazy management despite knowing all the consequences is really... amazing
For me actually, adding members would mean more screen time for all of the members (Recalls how Hyomin stuck close to Sunny in Invincible Youth.), longer songs means longer performances, and the more members to interview in the group, means getting to watch all of them a bit more longer and ask more questions about them too.
Adding members would actually help to spread out the group responsibilities more and ease the current work load, especially in a packed schedule, well, not that packed anymore, although I don't think the girls would like a less packed schedule, otherwise, Hyomin, Eunjung, and Soyeon would be very happy to leave their dramas to make more room for group activities then. Also, with the additions, it will challenge the group even more, especially when competing alongside other idol groups too.
But after seeing what they could bring to the plate, I was like Okay.I was very surprised how much potential both of them can bring to the group. They fit well with our girls.
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They could've left this issue unanswered and vague until the episode came out, in order to turn out a higher rating. Then, when the complaints come in, they can simply apologize and just edit that out when the DVD set comes out for retail.
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i thought my statement is pretty clear. it's a one sided decision by kim kwangsoo and ccm.
I was just answering your question, which is contrary to what was reported by the media, that 19 staff members submitted statements against our Hwayoung.
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@GRIMLOCK
If antis continue to disapprove of Soyeon's interview, why should any of the members speak up about it, in the first place? This is all the antis fault to begin with.
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Reinstated? I sincerely hope not. There will be alot of ill will both ways and that can't be productive. Other than that, I hope she will be adequately compensated monetary and whatever. Director Cha EunTaek tweeted that she bought a piano to practise. Ouch. A decent set can range from the mid 4 digits and upwards.
Actually it could work, just fire the ones who voiced against Eunjung, including those who are against T-ara as a whole, and assign other and new employees to the project.
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who cares. seriously. this is bogus. hwayoung gets removed from the group and it gets over shadowed by eunjung being removed from a tv show?
i dont wannahear about rights and justice until hwayoung has hers.
It's all thanks to the antis that got out Eunjung removed from the drama. Several online media articles hinted at the possibility that the production team has outspoken T-ara antis that drove this over the contractual edge.
yeah, where's KEMA during that time? isn't hwayoung contract termination also a one sided decision?
No, because of those 19 written statements submitted by the staff members, while the members did not want her to get fired.
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Are there many people on this forum who dislike Hwayoung at this point? I've seen a number of negative comments about her since the outbreak, but only from maybe five people or so. In any case, I hope you haven't been dealing with those criticisms too badly, it seems to be getting to you. If anything, that weekend of the 28th I tended towards believing that Hwayoung was being singled out for something. Not that she was being "bullied" - and I hate how the use of that word has escalated everything - but that there was some disagreement where it was 1 vs x. And there's no good in pointing any fingers at Hwayoung either. I think she's only as media-savvy as the others, at best, so I don't think she would know how to reach out to the reporters herself to make a statement, and I'm under the impression that her Twitter is still tied up in her CCM life. I figure her silence is similar to that of the others - I figure she's made at least a verbal agreement with Mr. Kim not to say anything more about the subject, and now that she's more or less back to being her parents' daughter, I'm pretty sure they don't want her going public about all this either. She worked pretty hard to get as good as she got, and she started from far from an ideal start (being tossed in like she was). I liked her. Third or fourth favorite, even before all this. She got a raw deal from the outset, and it's just another on the laundry list of wrongs hurled at those girls.
Same, I haven't encountered that many who gave negative comments about our dear Hwayoung here, however it is regrettable that so many are just giving up on her though as if there's no second chance, not even an ounce of consideration that she could still return to T-ara and make things more better.
Just because her contract was terminated and still on good terms with mostly everybody at Core Contents Media, including Kim Kwang Soo, who's still willing to reunite her with the rest of the members, doesn't mean it's game over. Well, I won't put it into that type of context, but rather giving and hoping that things will not get to the point where someone gets killed because of all of this. They've already stepped up to egg throwing. People who continue to bring up old and irrelevant past mistakes and build them as if it was such a huge conspiracy against them, they would most likely resort to irrational actions with unfathomable consequences for both them and everyone else, if nobody doesn't offer them another perspective, or even assist them into considering a more plausible explanation. I even still remember Hyomin pleading everybody not to misunderstand them when they were just having fun on stage together and show a little bit of their close relationship together as a group. I'm sure we all know other idol groups have done the same before on stage. I took those tweets as a form of encouragement, not in the form of ostracizing her online cause of her injury/recovery. What would be the point anyways to bully her in the first place, considering how much success as a group together have garnered recently? None. I'm sure they won't jeopardize their life's career by encouraging Hwayoung to continue overcoming her injury. As for their silence, there's a good reason, and I am not surprised that not many people realized it yet. If people are able to easily misunderstand them, then silence is the best option, until that misunderstood way of thinking is finally able to understand, and then allow them to confirm it or not. Antis can have the most impatience ever when involved in a fandom.Let me start by saying you don't seem to understand what I was saying - or, if you did, I don't understand why you would attribute it to anti thought processes. Let me reduce the language: I believe it is still Mr. Kim's standing order not to address the situation directly. I think it would be understandable if any of the girls were to defy those orders. But, all things considered, it would probably be best they did not, for the time being. As for tossing the anti-bomb around like that... Way to jump to conclusions on a head full of steam and with just the scantest of evidence. Funny, but I remember a certain segment of the population doing exactly that.Yeah, it's the latter part there. Allow me to explain. Most antis have pretty much want him fired, broke, more or less dead, based on irrational thoughts without any proof of evidence to support such a mentality. Here's an example, when he announced about the possible member change up. It's understandable that a C.E.O., a boss, manager, or even a supervisor would remind their employees about the termination clause they all signed, if there's a discrepancy that contradicts their commitment prior to signing it, namely the job interview. I'm sure everybody is well aware of this, well, except for those who haven't yet even begun to work for a steady paycheck. Most reactions to his announcement was taken badly, because he went through the media too on it. Perhaps he wanted to share the wonderful world of working a job and to further humanize our girls through some unintentional mistakes that happened behind closed doors, or even level the disputed playing field to whoever our girls were up against. In any case, we won't know for sure, unless there's proof that specifically points out what the reasons are for these actions. This thought process of outright accusing him without any rock hard evidence to support these motivations that consequently lead to these actions, it thus becomes similar as an anti. I'm rather surprised if you assumed that I was branding you as one, when actually, I am not. Just pointing out the similarities between the antis' illogical call for justice in this manner, and the statement you made. We all know positions can change, whether it be for good or bad, and if it makes you feel any better, I'm not the sort of person who gives a final verdict on someone and executes them right on the spot like some street judge.
The more I go over your comments, the more smug you seem. Again, let me clarify: Either 1) the KBS producers of Shut up Family are like the producers of 5F, who lacked backbone and caved to the pressure from the advertisers, or 2) the Shut up Family producers are simply releasing the statement to test the waters, and then decide either way based on what the popular response is, while claiming they were always planning to do whatever they end up doing (either way making it seem like they were making some moral stance that just happened to fall in line with public sentiment). Let me skip one and get back to the America stuff afterwards.If perception is able to misunderstand a single word, like "determination", we would not be so different when it comes to reading someone's thoughts without the voice and facial and bodily expressions to go with it. Okay, now that is better understood than that previous posting you made that seemed rather vague, especially with the whole American and Korean mixing in it. Oh, and thank you for making that clear.
That weekend, between the Friday announcement and the Monday announcement may be counted as three days, but there were five days between the posts on Twitter and the Monday announcement.
But I'm not really sure why you're getting on my case about that and the accident thing - are you defending Mr. Kim and the agency? Because that was a list of the mistakes he's made with regards to the current controversy. If you look (more) carefully, I brought up the accident to say that people were willing to make those speculations because Mr. Kim has the reputation of being someone who just might do something like that.Not those three days. The three days "before" he made the announcement to make that big announcement. It all started with the press conference in Japan before the concert. Some people started pointing out our girls' demeanor since then. After that first announcement, the same rumors were getting looped around after that, and everybody was in waiting mode. Defend him? No. Being opening minded to other possibilities when there's no proof to send that man to jail, sure. If making mistakes indicates he's just as mortal as we are, than why bother someone whose already on a guilt trip of his own? If the company makes a mistake, they lose revenue and fans, simple as that. If they commit a crime, then they got to do the time and/or pay the fines and then earn their redemptions, plain and understood. Does the achievements and failures are what makes the person, or does the actions and reasons do? I did read it carefully, but that failed to realized that other companies "did" go through much worse than this before, and I was merely reaffirming that should anybody misinterpret that as being another means of saying that it was fabricated, that it clearly isn't.
So to take both of your questions about my America comments together... Like I said, if I were invited to discuss my issues with any of the American practices I don't like, I could say many things. But for the most part I wouldn't, because I believe in the country and in discretion. I am capable of finding fault with very many things. I could break out my laundry list of complaints about Korean entertainment - and even T-ara - but I choose not to do so because I'm not interested in bringing people down. But maybe I was a little too excited when I wrote that, so another rehash: Many English-speaking commentators on K-pop like that it is not (in short) as cynical as most of American entertainment, including American children's movies. Cultures are different, and that is reflected in the entertainment they produce - but unlike much of the world, Korea, like the US, is able to produce an entertainment product that is viable on an international level. You don't really respond to the rest in what I feel is a genuine manner, you kind of just insult me, so let me just just say that the US entertainment industry is not involved in the T-ara situation. I bring it up to say that despite its success, there are various flaws in American entertainment I could talk about - again, something that is true of Korean entertainment. But as Korean entertainment is new to this level of international exposure (and for other reasons), its position is weaker, and the scandal undermines its ability to be seen as a viable source of entertainment in potential markets. I didn't then point out the similarities because it would have had nothing to do with the point I was making. As for the international awards, there's something that could be said about how the Oscars always have the same kinds of movies nominated and winning those awards, and anyway, you don't seem to be challenging anything I actually said when you talk about that. As for the "Koreans and Asians" comment, perhaps you missed that little flap involving Kim Jaedong and others at an international venue and a bonehead in the background pulling at his eyes. Or maybe you don't read Youtube comments and about every third Kpop video having saying someone (ignorantly) saying it's some kind of rip-off of some American or European act. Maybe you haven't been exposed to many stories of intolerance, from every region of the world. That's the background to that comment.I don't doubt that you could find fault, but at least you can understand the positive side to some acceptable degree, especially to those who really still believe in the U.S. and South Korea, and the rest of the world. True, cultures are unique with their own history and development, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the cultures themselves are unable to still develop further and be more understanding of each other, rather than waging wars, agreed? It is understood that should a war occur, we hope that the lives lost bear the reminder of the failure to discover that understanding is paid at too high of a cost, if not pricelessness of what could've been a peaceful transition to a better change. It is my experience that it is very easy to find faults, than it is to find solutions to the insurmountable challenges that take place daily in our lives. That is good that Hollywood is not involved with our girls in this debacle of a misunderstanding. Well, thankfully to the international fans and their support of T-ara, it demonstrates even more so just how many more people are involved with K-Pop. As 2NE1 recently disclosed that their international fan base is way beyond more than their home country's fan numbers, it provides that T-ara is not alone as well, including the most notable idols in the genre too. As for the similarities between the the U.S. and South Korea, it would've offered the point that not everything is about faults, which would've support your discretion and candor of respect to those patriots.
You would be surprised how different each movie winner is when you watch the special features, and the history of that awards show. Read again then, if you missed it, but it's probably best that it be so missed in this case. On a technicality, K-Pop was actually new back in 1996, which is how I became a fan of the genre. It's only new because of the massive recognition and achievements it has been getting through the internet and social media networks recently. I watched and read many things that happened, both good and bad since then. From idol fist fighting and gang related activities and crime, to rape and murder and yes, suicides, to Tupac's mother to BoA to the sudden change of the Wonder Girls members along with the U.S. reactions to it, to now. And I can tell you right now, this T-ara issue is not that severe compared to all of that, and there's still time and hope of them yet, and this time, the fans can make that difference happen than ever before. It is true we're in the mists of a fandom civil war currently, and the only ways to ensure the fandom's existence is for our Hwayoung to reunite with our T-ara, and comeback as a 9 member group together. I guess Hawaii's a pretty laid-back place, maybe I sounded to you like a reactionary bigot or something, but I hope there's at least a greater level of understanding between us now. As for whatever else, I'll be discreet.There is, and I hope we don't forget this established understanding.
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Which is why I said 'plausible' ^ ^
I was just point out the current status quo for that argument.
Yeah exactly, to many factors there can be many different 'truths'. With all of these escalations lately, I really hope someone steps up and finally sets things straight.If all the antis stop their unbelievable continuous whining, maybe, just maybe there could be a press conference to put to rest these scenarios. Although, very doubtful at this point, after what happened to our dear Eunjung. At least our Soyeon helped take care of the serious ones, even though there's still some who just don't want to take her word for it.
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Jeez arguing with you is so pointless. You nitpicked every single sentence and pulled them apart to create your own counter-arguments as if each sentence were its own argument. I said that "it is our decision to be made regardless of the influences" as a general statement. Of course the our in this scenario will be replaced by the sponsors. The antis could be an influences, the sponsors' employees could be an influences, the speculation could also be an influence, so what? The decision is still ultimately MADE BY THE SPONSOR. Everything else you've mentioned are merely speculation. End of story. I don't know how this topic ended up talking about this issue instead of the new members, but I'm going to drop it here. There's no point in discussing it any further. I made my point clear with that bold capitalized phrase. If you still can't understand it then it's pointless.
I'm glad you found the error there and understood your misunderstanding. But I hoped that would've come first before all of those initial assumptions there.
Yes, the antis complained and complained to force the sponsors to make such a suggestion. If the antis didn't, the sponsors won't have come to that ridiculous idea, in the first place. All of the antis lies and fabrications are all completely based on delusional paranoia without so much as concrete proof to back it up, to begin with here. At least my speculations don't hurt our girls. That's the truth. Yes, I understand your point, but swaying to the sponsors as the main problem is inaccurate, this all started because of the antis.Oh it's a lesson all right. I have seen your other posts and from there I know it's really pointless to argue with someone who's living in his own world.Same can be said about those antis too.
So what's your point?That antis are the reason why the sponsors are worried over Eunjung.
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Wow where do I start. Am I flattered to be quoted multiple times or should I be upset that you not only butchered my points but then threw words in my mouth?
Perhaps saying you're stunned would suffice?
Your words, not mine. I'll have my opinion on the general public and you your's.Please reread my posting and take notice to your usage of the word "delusional". Oh, and please consider to not ever suggest again to someone about "not" using the name calling after this statement of yours then.
If people who dislike T-ara didn't believe the interview, that is their issue.Sorry where in my post did I ever say I doubted her?
Soyeon was one of multiple parties involved.
If there was a fight among 2-3, do you take one person's word and make conclusions from that?
Don't answer that, I fear for your answer.
Then they should stop asking for answers they simply don't like at all, it'll save everybody the trouble, including themselves having to repeat it all over again from the beginning.
Where did I ever imply that you did? That's a recap.
Yes, there's many people involved.
Prove to us all that there's physical abuse and/or other criminal incidents, including bullying amongst the T-ara members and other employees of Core Contents Media, then we're ready to believe you.
Everybody has their own opinion, remember? Oh, and it's not required for you to reply to this posting too.
Don't be offended by me calling you delusional. That was more to give you a hint to see things from my point.Which I guess you're trying because you've made some opinions for me which I don't recall having.
Good effort, bad execution though.
I won't get into a pissing match between words because you and I definitely haven't watched the same interview.
And no I don't consider this bullying.
A member came at me sideways, called me an anti and picked apart my post and butchered any point I made. Don't think I'd let that slide.
It's not about offense, it's about pointing out how one would say one thing and yet ending up saying the exact opposite in the same post. And that was to help correct the misleading direction in your argument, and to hopefully point out that such debate strategies are seriously outdated.
You're welcome.
Funny, that's what I thought when silence forgot Soyeon's interview, in the first place.
Perhaps we did see the same interview, and thus came up with different reactions and thoughts about it, when there was three or more translations to it, oh, actually, I think that's what exactly happened.
Ah, excellent.
Oh, well, be assured that when I quote a posting, I make sure my response goes with what part of the posting to better communicate and reduce any further "misunderstandings" that may occur during the course of the conversation. And rest assured as well, that I haven't come across any antis on this forum, yet. If I do, I'll let you know.
You use a lot of "quotes" and you sure use them "wrong."Example of crazy things CCM has put the lid on? The Jiyeon/webcam thing, T-ara's initial criticisms by media for bad attitude, outfits and sporting a rival team's color.
Ok, not exactly crazy because they're old and no longer significant. Wait I think I just proved my point. Onto the next butchering...
Really? You mean I can't quote you and and myself in the same sentence? Strange. I'm pretty sure it's allowed, especially in this texting age of technology, including this forum.
Did Jiyeon admit that was her? Especially with all of these idol look-a-likes that keeps popping up every now and then? Didn't they apologized for that one at least, cause I seem to recall that they did, or I think Kim Kwang Soo did for them.
Plus, all of those are so definitely not hidden either. Nope, what is your point? Very strange to think quoting is actually butchering here, especially when your posting clearly demonstrates it in a similar way too and then.
So far the only person taking things out of context is you. Don't lose sleep on it though, we're not perfect.I'm not the one suggesting that there's bullying amongst the T-ara members, based on the lack of needed proof that it did happen. How is that out of context? Yeah, I hope you sleep well too.
And here we reach the great slaughtering of my post. I never wanted Hwayoung to leave. I supported this girl from day one. Against people who didn't see the need for a new member. Against people saying she was a terrible rapper. Against people saying she was the downfall of the group. She's no longer in T-ara and it kills me. But if that's the route taken, I can do nothing about it. I've already voiced my view on the bullying situation multiple times. Not gonna bring that here as that wasn't the point of this topic nor any of my previous posts here. This thing about the new members came out of nowhere. While everyone was busy roasting them, doing them worse than they did Hwayoung, I'm one of few actually encouraging members to accept them.You wouldn't know anything about supporting other fans though, would you? Seems like all you do is instigate things.
That's very reassuring to read. Thank you.
Of course I do, however, I will point out while you respect other people's opinions, I seriously doubt that especially after making this posting in another thread here, back then. Instigating or not?
But yes this was great. I love supporting T-ara only to find someone come from left field and totally spin everything wrong. Dead it right there. IDK what sort of point you're trying to make. If you want to continue, I am available by PM. I'm sorry if my post rubbed you the wrong way. But as I stated, calling me an anti and then picking apart my post, you're stirring up something you shouldn't.That's awesome that you support our girls. However, I think it better to ask questions to confirm first before accusing, let alone assuming, someone of spinning things wrong. Sure, if you would like to continue this via PM, I await your response. I apologize too, I did not ever call you an anti, in the first place. Your words, not mine. Again, quoting and following up with my response is just my way of avoiding any overlapping between postings and not intended as an insult.
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Hopefully there will be enough lawsuits and convictions against them in court leading to massive amounts of fines that will bleed out the production money, while the bad publicity rapidly grows on a global scale, thanks to some good media reporting (Yeah, not all of them are bad actually.
) and T-ara fans around the world, including those in South Korea, which will lead to the firing of the producers and some of the production staff members, and then eventually, end the drama very much sooner than expected.
[12.08.29] T-ara release handwritten apology
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I think the best part of the lesson is, "DON'T MISUNDERSTAND OTHERS!" We human beings have the power of reasoning at our commands. Use it!
I share the same sentiment. I would suggest a modification for the Korean Entertainment for that phrase as "No idol is left behind.", and "Every idol gets to come home." too. They went through so much together. Just by reading this letter from the other members, you can tell they miss her and want her to come back already. Hopefully, our dearly beloved Hwayoung will return to our precious T-ara soon. And when reunited, everything will become better for all of us once again.
1. On a technicality, it was 19 written and submitted statements by staff members that convinced Kim Kwang Soo to make that decision. However, he left enough room for her to return to the group when she feels ready for it. Which should be very soon.
2. The "true" reality is Hwayoung was terminated from her "old contract" and still able to return to with a "brand new contract". Hwayoung dismissed other offers from other companies to join them instanteously. She expressed how much love she has for all of them and us still. We still love and support our dearly beloved Hwayoung and her return to our T-ara. She will always be part of one of the most Top Idol Female Groups of K-Pop and always be an important member to T-ara. Part of their recent huge successes is because of our Hwayoung. She will return to our T-ara soon.
He publicly stated that he will. All that needs to be done, is for our beloved Hwayoung to return. Hopefully very, very, very soon.