[[12.08.23] Ham Eunjung at home in seclusion with her mother]

Says the one who can't wait for T-ara to have an American debut, in which chances of that happening are more or less zero

Better than someone who claims to be a T-ara supporter at least.

[[POLL] Do you agree w/ adding 2 new members?]

Well, for any action to be made in life, it has to be influenced by something, internal or external. It is still our decision to be made regardless of the influences. The antis might have something to do with this, but we don't know for sure. All we're doing is speculating the severeness of the antis' works. But, the fact still remains that it is the sponsor who makes the call for the change, not the antis. It's not like it was a surprising move either since no business person would risk loosing their potential profits over something that they can change.

Wait a minute here, . . . what does this part of your statement, . . .

"It is still our decision to be made regardless of the influences."

, . . . mean? Your decision? Are you a part of the sponsors for the Five Fingers drama?

As for the rest of it, antis are the pivotal element here that's driving the sponsors nonetheless. Is there another element/variable that is so well connected to both the drama and Eunjung and T-ara? If not the antis, then what is it, let alone who is it?

So, in actuality, the fact is antis are the ones who pressured sponsors to a degree, to call in an emergency meeting to discuss Eunjung's immediate removal from the show.

Oh, and this just recently came in about how the production team were quite against Eunjung being a part of the cast too. Several online media articles hinted at the possibility that there are T-ara antis amongst the production team for the drama.

[[12.08.23] Ham Eunjung at home in seclusion with her mother]

it's easy to assume she accepted the role for reasons other than advancing her own career.

Just like how it's easy to believe in all of those lies, fabrications, and accusations of bullying amongst the members without studying, and making sure it's the truth or not.

[[DISC] Facts or Speculation regarding T-ara's Crisis]

Freaking sian to see bad news popping up one after another!

My speculation is that KKS is trying to pull strings to make news....

T-ara is the group with the most number of accidents etc etc.....and is leading with a freaking freaking big gap!

More likely than less they are planned! you ask how could a vehicle flipping can be planned...i don't know! but they have their ways!

look at the number of accidents that happened...if you look at nip-slips...maybe kks somehow manage to talk her into doing it? to make news or attract more light...

too many ambiguous news for T-ara! so much so that people are doubting KKS! too much doubt!!! no more trust!

Even if die-hard queens will believe whatever is more positive for t-ara...producers and entertainment industry workers might not! cos they don't trust anymore!

whatever happens....i'll just believe that things will be better as time passes.....

Yeah, can you provide "proof" to all of this, please?

[[12.08.23] KBS debating whether to air Eunjung and Jiyeon's cameo appearance in "Shut Up Family"]

Slow your role, keyboard warrior. Calling anybody an anti won't do you any good.

Nor is calling the public a bunch of mindless, delusional, easy to manipulate, zealots is a good thing either. Agreed?

Like I said, the silence did nobody any favors. That interview came out what, like last week sometime? Near two weeks of deafening silence from T-ara and guess what? The issue is still unresolved in the public's eyes.

And as I pointed out, the people, including those who dislike/hate T-ara, requested an official statement from the members. Soyeon, being the leader of the group and member, "officially" spoke about it, and guess what, the group of people who dislike/hate T-ara simply "DID NOT BELIEVE HER ONE BIT!" Which inevitably made them contradict their entire views and beliefs, and then continued their dark crusade against them, all because they didn't get the answers they completely believe in, which happens to be false.

Don't be delusional, that interview solidified the bullying issue as unfortunate as it may be but bridges can be rebuilt.

About that name calling again? And her statements clearly said that they were disagreements and polarized point of views amongst the members, and definitely "not bullying", because they didn't want to go that far, nor have Hwayoung removed at all. It was the 19 statements by the staff members that changed all of that, not the members. Soyeon clearly stated that they all wanted a solution to resolve their differences from another point of view. How does all of this "solidify" bullying or even prove that the members were bullying each other?

If disagreements are defined as bullying, then that means both you and I are bullying each other right now, right? Do you feel bullied?

CCM pulled some miracles sweeping some crazy stuff under the rugs, but this is a hot issue and the media is hungry.

Is there proof that this "really happened"? Witnesses? Better yet, show us this "crazy stuff" and it's "specific hidden location". The media is hungry for anything, so what.

The fans, rather I, just want all tension, if any, between the members to be squashed and things to go back to normal [one can hope, right?].

Indeed, it is unfortunate that there are those who just can't understand the sheer gravity of this situation and take this so out of context.

How's that for an "anti's" opinion. You think I enjoy T-ara going through this BS? As my favorite group by far, I've always held T-ara to a higher regard than other groups, and I will continue to do so.

Then why the encouragement to continue to go along with the separation of Hwayoung from the group? Why support and treat the possibilities that alleged "bullying" accusations are true? Why underrate the newest members without leaving enough room to prove themselves? Why must you create an inner conflict within yourself, in the first place?

[[POLL] Do you agree w/ adding 2 new members?]

I don't see what's your point is.

Yes, they did discriminate Eunjung and removed her from the drama due to the "misunderstanding", because they are worried that their products won't generate their revenue through "drama/film marketing". Antis threatened the drama by complaining and complaining about removing her, boycotting their products, and not watch the show at all, maybe even telling other people not to watch it too. At first, they took the initial verbal/text assaults, but didn't show any signs of letting her go, because Eunjung was still able to appear and participate at the drama's press conference not long after. So it would seem logical for antis to step it up another level, in order to make it clear to the sponsors just how serious they are on their threats. Sponsors cave. Have emergency meeting. The "threats had to be severe enough" in order for them to forget about the contractual procedures in discussing a casting change with Eunjung. In short, my point is, the antis are the ones responsible for forcing/motivating the sponsors to discriminate against our Eunjung. Just like how the antis continue to forget that it was 19 written statements that "convinced Kim Kwang Soo enough" to terminate our dear Hwayoung, but left enough room for her to reunite with the group. Understand?

[[POLL] Do you agree w/ adding 2 new members?]

Even if they did threatened the sponsor, the worst it could have been is threatened of not purchasing their products; the authority can't do anything about that since it doesn't physically inflict any damage to anyone.

I wasn't thinking that lightly in terms of criminal/terroristic threatening. Remember that guy that showed up and threw eggs at the Core Contents Media building recently? What a waste of such good food. Imagine if those eggs were lit-molotov-cocktails instead, or worse, him firing an assault rifle at the building. Now replace the building with a shopping mall, happening in front of hundreds of people aimed at the sponsors' product displays. Families, friends, co-workers, etc. Now, is it company policy for those sponsors to take such threats lightly?

On the other hand, I personally think that the sponsors just want to avoid the trouble of people not buying their products over Eunjung, so they looked for replacement. That way, even if the Eunjung's fans, or T-Ara fans in general boycott their products, the fans of the other actress could make up for that loss anyway, and their problems (if there's any) with the antis would cease to exist. That's a much better route for them.

Here's the thing that everybody is missing here, . . . these products appearing on the show are not solely on Eunjung, but the show in general. If these products were "specifically" represented by Eunjung and no one else in the entire cast, then Eunjung will be literally covered with all of these items. That's pretty moronic for a drama to do, won't you agree? The sponsors to squarely target Eunjung is clearly discriminating, as proof of them not following contractual procedures that were clearly signed and agreed upon, before shooting ever started.

[[12.08.23] KBS debating whether to air Eunjung and Jiyeon's cameo appearance in "Shut Up Family"]

See that silence did nobody any favors. They not only paid the price with a halt in group activities but it pretty much trickles down to each member too. Why nobody lets the girls address the issue publically so everyone can move on, is beyond me.

Did everybody miss, let alone forgot, our Soyeon's Interview about this "misunderstanding"? I guess the antis did.




I think you are right, a conference (should include Hwayoung I think ) to clear the situation should be made..though it's late until now, but it's better than nothing. if things go on like this their Sexy Love comeback cannot get good attention. it's so bad after all the suffer T-ara has gone through to endure the silence and the criticisms from the media. SBS, MBC, KBS, they are starting to consider about T-ara now, it's not their faults worrying about the ratings and stupid comments from netizens, but this issue is taking a very ugly turn..........What can T-ara do, they can just keep silent and wait for decisions just like what they did during the brokeout of the controversy and Eunjung's helpless silence for her FF role...this is not right at all, T-ara cannot voice their opinions nor protecting their rights in such situation... !!!!!!!!!

Let's play with this "T-ara Conference" idea, . . .

All the members are present, including Hwayoung, staff members, Kim Kwang Soo, and why not, have the other artists too, so we can cover every single angle from within Core Contents Media. They introduce themselves to the reporters one by one, before covering the events that eventually come to Hwayoung's contract terminated by 19 submitted statements by staff members, and interviews that Kim Kwang Soo and whoever helped with the internal investigation regarding the status quo of T-ara during that 3 day time period. Now they cover the "edited", "fabrications", "evidence", and "accusations" about abuse, mistreatment of employees, including working conditions, and bullying. Soyeon repeats what she said in her earlier interview, and the other members agree and confirm that no bullying and ostracizing ever took place. Reporters start to scramble around with the made up lies from antis, and yet, every single one of them continue to say these allegations are all false and have no creditability to them at all. The reporters press harder by name calling them and ask leading questions in the vain hopes they will crack from social pressures. They fail, as all of them continue to say none of those accusations are factual or true to begin with. Now the conference has ended. Everybody leaves.

Now the antis start making up more lies as if they were employees of Core Contents Media and present to see these allegations when the cameras were not rolling, or even viewing them from a C.C.T.V. monitor with audio recordings. The antis simply do not believe any of them, despite their call for a press conference. Have any of the antis ever considered that Core Contents Media anticipated this sort of response, even after Hyomin's and Eunjung's Drama Press Conferences? Antis will continue to present skepticism as fact and truth without any proof whatsoever. So, why should Core Contents Media have a press conference to a bunch of inpatient, immature, loud mouth, uneducated, half-witted, nerf herders, who simply are "not willing to accept the truth from them at all".

"Patience would have made this T-ara Press Conference POSSIBLE!" It would demonstrate to the company that the public is willing to listen to their testimonies without having to hang them in some lynch mob.

No thanks to the antis in their endeavor to press for answers, let alone destroy "Nine" career lives, maybe even more, we probably won't get a conference now. Antis has always hurt someone to make a point, even resort to murder with little or no remorse. Who ever said that was the "only way" to make positive and effective and efficient change? If antis wanted to force a change within Core Contents Media, they should've called the police, but did they? No, all because they simply do not know anything about law enforcement, and police investigations, let alone the purpose to uphold peace and justice without getting anyone hurt and/or killed in the process. Open World Entertainment anyone?




Just remember, who's making the call to still do jack squat nothing with all these goings-on... But seriously, if ever there was a time for the girls to defy that man, it'd be now. Even if it were messy, emotional and inarticulate, I'd feel like it were... a response fitting to the situation. I get the feeling it wouldn't be met well by the Korean public, so I hope that they can manage a composed response, but hey.

A typical thinking example of an modus operandi in a anti.

As for the timing to speak up about confirming whether or not these allegations are true, well, it's most likely we can all toss that possibility away now.




And yeah...
Backbone, that element lacking in those responsible for Eunjung's sacking. Or, I guess, maybe worse, they're really just creating a situation where their originally intended actions would be more palatable to the public eye. Like what Pilot did, for those of you who know that part of the bible.





Yeah, I think we all like proof that this was all a stage play, instead of repeating it over like it's the truth or something.




Yeah, they (Koreans) deal with things in some ways that I (and others) disagree with. Yeah, it's not all fantasy land magic with kisses and rainbows. Yeah, it's not everything it presents itself to be. But, Kpop is a legitimate entertainment option, and one of its main draws was, really, that they could do those entertainment things without having the same hangups as the American entertainment industry. Not to give too much sway to like, stereotypes, but Kpop is making it in the Arab world. And I've read, blogs and stuff from Americans, that the thing about Kpop is that it isn't rife with the same cynical, jaded viewpoints we get all the time in America (even in our mf-ing children's movies, for foss sake), and that America is exporting to the rest of the world, all the f-ing time. And that is still true - Koreans care about different things than Americans do, they deal with things in a different way, all those little things that are different across cultures, but they could still produce a polished, purchasable, and (generally) positive product.




Why the American bashing, and not mention the similar things that both the U.S. and South Korea share?




And again, even if backstage, things aren't like on the stage, you take that as a given (once you figure that stuff out) - you still like it, it's still fun, you still listen to it and watch it and talk about it. But can you imagine this situation being as bad as it is if any other company were involved? I mean, arguably we wouldn't even have any kind of crisis as we're having, because other companies wouldn't have given the rumor mill a free hand for five days and then decided to fire the very person that everyone in the public was siding with, and they wouldn't have built a reputation such that people were willing to speculate that you orchestrated a car accident involving four people aside from one of your stars just to gain sympathy, and they wouldn't just sit on their hands after gaining the personal satisfaction of getting your "rebel" star to apologize to you in private. Not only is his company losing money, not only is T-ara having all the problems they're having, but all of Korea is looking jacked right now to the casual observer, not just the Kpop world - and right when it's building momentum across the world.




Actually it was 3 days, not 5.

That accident was so definitely not orchestrated. When the site that was referenced by an anti, it clearly showed that it's default clock always displayed 6 minutes after midnight for it's page "on all of its reports". Even allkpop admitted that was a mistake on the anti's claim. Yeah, the rest of that is purely delusional in thought.




I mean, if I were a fan on a website talking about American stuff, I would sound like I hated the USA - there's just that much to complain about, seeing things from the inside (and I'm sure people around the world have their complaints too) - okay, maybe I wouldn't, discretion and all, but if I were to complain about American stuff... But kpop is relatively new to the international stage, and aside from people's opinions about Koreans and Asians in general, they just don't need another reason to look down on it. And yet here we have all this.

What does the U.S. entertainment specifically have to do with the T-ara situation? In other words, is the U.S. Entertainment Industry involved with the T-ara situation? If so, how? Yeah, pretty much this part of the argument and point of view is so invalid, including insulting, especially when the U.S. holds a whole bunch of International Film Festivals Yearly and even give awards and honors to international entertainment works from our most prestigious Hollywood ceremonies.




@Mongrolian - couldn't have said it better myself.

That's democracy. The majority have a say and have the power to execute it.

Seriously?

Since when did we ever took a vote on what goes on with Core Contents Media and its employees? There's an old saying in the entertainment industry, "don't ever mix politics with entertainment."






Broadcasting and media companies are supposed to appeal to the masses, hence why they take public opinion and ratings seriously - because that's how they keep afloat.

It's not their job to be concerned for Eunjung.

And yet there are procedures they are suppose to follow, despite their concerns.




I agree with that. Selfish world we are in. Everyone thinks for themselves first. It makes more sense to sacrifice one. Very frustrating and upsetting, but I guess that's life.


Life is more than all of that.

[[POLL] Do you agree w/ adding 2 new members?]

Because I didnt know your stance before.

Well, I hope this is either a learning lesson or a reminder to read and think before posting without any studying done beforehand when responding to someone like me.

Didnt lose that much..your way of thinking amuse me.

Yeah, still didn't lose that much, and your way of thinking is too premature and speculating, that's pure comedy already.

Sponsor concern because of the bullying issue. zzz

Correction, sponsor concerns on "alleged" accusations with false and fabricated evidence. I get the feeling the sponsors were seriously threatened by the antis and forgot to call the police to handle it.

[[DISC] Facts or Speculation regarding T-ara's Crisis]

Actually, that was exactly what I was thinking. It seems plausible that KKS leaked out those rumor to keep the girls in line because they were "complaining to much" (the girls were known to voice their opinions about being overworked) What better way to shut them up? going with the old "I made you, therefore I can break you". "You don't believe me? I'll add in a member to show you that you can easily be replaced!" etc etc.

However, this has not been proven as fact.

For all we know there could have been an ongoing internal struggle behind the walls between CCM and T-ara. I think a lot of people like to choose A (they did bully) or B (they didn't), but they don't seem to realize that there could be a C or D. Option C, D & beyond could be anything. Like perhaps T-ara as a whole was being "bullied" by their own staff. Which could be the reason why none of them are speaking up. KKS ramming the crew, crew rams T-ara, T-ara screwed.

I'm willing to add the possibility that some of media reporters are behind this witch hunt too, against our T-ara, since those articles popped up back then mentioning our girls' behavior towards them. Core Contents Media sued some of them for false reporting recently and got them suspended and maybe even reprimanded. I could even go as far as putting together a possible scenario where some of these reporters confessed their love to our girls, or even tried to blackmail them, and only ended up getting denied and thus took offense to it very hard, and now trying to throw their media resources into defaming them because they couldn't get into their pants. Who knows, it might be even possible to add the possibility that antis were trying to blackmail our girls for the same reasons too.

[[12.08.22] Eunjung and agency confused by the news, "We hadn't received any notice"]

Asking for a police conviction alone is ridiculous from the start since there's no actual law being broken here and labor rights in Korea are ridiculously laughable for such a developed country. Just because one isn't breaking the law doesn't mean he/she is a douchebag.

Really, so, that whole Open World Entertainment CEO arresting was just a whole "act" then, right?

And even so, you're demand for the police to look into the bullying issue is also fallacy as the only time the police are ever involved is if potential murder or suicide is in the mix - which certainly isn't the case of T-ara.

Bully? From what I've read from these antis claim that there's actual "physical abuse" happening to our girls. As for the bullying, laws can be changed in South Korea, and if I'm not mistaken they are currently creating the legal work frame to handle this specifically right now.

Read up on anything about Kpop's darker sides and it's pretty darn clear that idols in general are worked like slaves and Soyeon already confirmed that the group is pretty much worked to the bone and want to go on vacation - and all they get is one week and in that midst, KKS outright calls them 'lazy'. And since then, they've been very silent about their own rights despite promoting on a level that's even far more than other idol groups out there.

I already have, and I'm pretty sure "not even a contract is above the law" either. Did our Soyeon "clearly state that they are slaves" to Core Contents Media? Can you point that out in their contracts, please? True, they are one of the most dedicated hard working idols currently. I can even recall several times that instead of taking a vacation break, they went to do volunteer work to help others before. I agree, they should use their vacation time, because they deserve it. Who knows, perhaps they were going to get a huge vacation later on this year, before all of this misunderstanding happened. For sure enough, they're getting one that's being covered with lies by antis, right now.

Determination aside, there's absolutely no sense or logic for the members to have the motive to perform despite being injured and overworked terribly - the only credibly guess why they're still doing so is because they're doing it out of fear of repercussion - hence, the term 'a gun pointed behind their heads'.

Really, or perhaps it's because they wanted to do it for their fans? Ever considered that before?

If you even bother to look into how SeeYa's Nam Gyuri fared, she didn't call KKS a devil for nothing.

That has nothing to do with our girls. Granted that was another unfortunate incident that took it's toll on both sides, and including the fans. However, mistakes can be corrected and redeemed, nor do they have to be repeated again. Mentioning this does not help at all, because this "misunderstanding" is very much different from Nam Gyuri. And yes, I'm still a fan of hers too.

Specific number? The Korean community here is 30k+ in New Zealand and I may as well say I lost count. Lot of people talked about it and they've been pretty open about their opinion regarding T-ara. Disliking and disapproving of a group and being an 'anti' of it are two different levels. You seem to be generalizing them under one umbrella.

So, basically you spoken to "every one of them", and majority are in disfavor of T-ara because of the false reports made by antis, yes?

If both groups share the same frame of mind, then they are the same, so yes, it is a generalization, because they either haven't bothered to find out the truth to all of those fabrications and lies, or they are just taking it as is, with no remorse for our girls whatsoever.

Ugh;; it's pointless even arguing with you here. That is all. End of story.

Please continue to support our Hwayoung's return to our T-ara and their comeback as a 9 member group.

[[12.08.22] Eunjung and agency confused by the news, "We hadn't received any notice"]

We're talking about a group of women who have a gun pointed at the back of their heads and if they do even the slightest thing to piss the gunner off, then it's goodbye forever.

Now you know another reason why I'm asking for a police conviction. Since there's no evidence to back this, yeah, another fabrication. And if this is suppose to be a pun, a terrible one, given the gravity of the situation for our girls.

I'm assuming that was a jabby or hostile response since it's pretty clear that you're a huge Hwayoung fan.

Your perception is wrong on both counts there, as it's a question for clarification because I'm sure you read and noticed our Hwayoung's injury, before posting that unnecessary list here, and I'm a fan of all of the girls. Your perception and recollection has only witnessed "Hwayoung" being pointed out because I continue to mention her eventual return to the group in almost every posting I made since that "huge misunderstanding".

Going as far to accuse me of 'deliberately' leaving that out is just stretching it. I'll concede that Hwayoung wasn't exactly a member I could give much of a concern about though but it wasn't of any intention to leave her leg injury out (nor was this even reported in the press prior to the whole scandal blowing out).

Thank you for clarifying that for the record.

And no, it's not just antis who want their heads lopped off the top. Of all the people I know (Koreans, that is), most if not all have a highly negative opinion of T-ara as of now and would prefer seeing them disband but I certainly wouldn't label them as 'antis' hellbent on destroying the group.

If anyone wants the T-ara members dead by decapitation, that very much fits the motivations of an anti, even as far as a "potential criminal". Anti-fan and Anti-T-ara are still "Antis".

Query, . . . how many people do you know, and yes, I'm asking for a specific number here.

They ARE called 'idols' for a reason you know - considering they're supposed to take part in multiple fields of entertainment, the media and the public in general eventually grow to have the preference of seeing them as 'angels' or 'saints'. In a way, they're supposed to be 'role models' for young people out there. There's also the fact that idols are even trained to act fake in front of the camera by the agencies in particular - which goes to say, ultimately, its the agencies that are to hold much of the blame - the public just eats the stuff they're fed mindlessly.

Why the "mindless comment" about the public, which happens to include both you and me and everybody else here in the forum?

You'd also have to consider that the Korean public had been bombed with media reports of bullying earlier in the year - cases which resulted in suicide amongst middle school students in particular and bullying as a whole is quite a huge social issue there (though I can say the same for anywhere else, I do know that bullying in Korea is quite severe since I've witnessed and experienced it myself when I was there).

Bombarded with a bunch of lies and fabrication. How about taking it from this point of view, . . .

Remember that time about our girls being accused of bad behavior "towards the media" before? What if the media reporters took it so badly, that they were willing to defame them gradually over time, and it has reached to this point right now. No need to answer this, just think about it and consider it from another point of view.

The very last thing the public would want to hear about bullying after hearing so many severe cases of it in a year is idol groups going through the same thing. Group activities aside, the timing of the incident was just absolutely terrible due to that alone.

True, which is why at least the industry is taking measures to make things more safer for all of their employees and staff members to prevent it from happening again. It's a plus that it gets schools involved too, which is probably the next best thing to come out of this "misunderstanding".

[[12.08.22] Eunjung and agency confused by the news, "We hadn't received any notice"]

Am I missing anything so far?

Yeah, Hwayoung's leg injury, but I guess you deliberately left that out because she's not with the group presently, right?

It almost as seems like fate wants them to collapse (whether if it's targeted towards CCM or T-ara itself however, is a matter of debate).

Nope, only antis.

so... I'm confused. Just 2 hrs ago, they said that Eunjung decided to leave the drama then an hour ago, they said it was because of the PPL something then now CCM stated that Eunjung didn't volunteer to exit the drama. What's the truth? :/

I still want Eunjung to be part of that drama.

Perhaps there are still lingering media reporters who got scolded or even penalized for making false reports about our girls earlier and ended up getting their media companies sued by Core Contents Media, and still trying to retaliate against them? *shrugs*

She doesn't have enough determination.

How so?

[[POLL] Do you agree w/ adding 2 new members?]

too much people on the stage :s

they're already perfect the way they were

Were when? 5 members? 6 members? As it is understood, their recent achievements as a 7 member group were the highest compared to back then.

I won't even bother responding because this argument is clearly a waste of time. I respect your opinion however.

Then why bother posting if it is a clear waste of time?

But this, you're totally underestimating this scandal. T-ara hasn't lose much? They lost everything.. and now Eunjung is out from 5 fingers. Great.

I repeat, it's a misunderstanding. Yes, they did not lose that much. Everything? If they truly lost "everything", T-ara would be disbanded, all of the T-ara songs off the charts, no fan base anymore, including internationally. Ergo, they didn't lose that much. We don't know why she left her drama. Oh, wait a minute, she's still in it, just some sponsor concerns. Geez.

Most of the support came from international netizens, not knetizens. And the thing that matters most is the situation in Korea, not international.

Is your argument now about K-Pop? K-Pop that has recently started to become a global movement of itself, which happens to include our beloved girls of T-ara? Are you suggesting that netizens from South Korea are "willing to make themselves fools and idiots over a misunderstanding through their very own music genre", which happens to reflect their culture to the rest of the world? Especially when music is one of the keystones to bridging a possible peace between North and South Korea? I even recall several articles appointing female idols as cultural ambassadors to the rest of the world not too long ago. We internationally fans have just the same amount of say as those living in South Korea too. And if you didn't notice, all of these fabrications and lies generated by South Korean T-ara Anti-netizens already made themselves into a bunch of morons all over the world in less than a week's time. And for clarification, this situation involves every single fan of T-ara, not just some discriminate group.

they're pretty much reduced to a level where their pre-Hwayoung popularity/reputaton is almost impossible to salvage, if not entirely. It'll be like a permanent stain on them, or even in the history of Kpop itself.

This is pure speculation, not fact, unless you have access inside Core Contents Media on the current status of T-ara right now.

[[POLL] Do you agree w/ adding 2 new members?]

That's being professional. They simply can't show that they're not satisfied. Plus it's not like they can do anything about it so they just go with the flow.

They can't, or there's really nothing to complain about? Are you present with our girls to "witness" their reactions and comments, let alone their point of views?

And who's to say that they don't feel any kind of resentment when they know their company gonna add members? We will never know.

Unless they say so that it is or not.

I'm not saying you should just flat out disagree and not support the new members, it's not like we can do anything about it but just think in T-ara's shoes.

Ah, but actually your arguments are disagreeing and unsupportive to the new members. If there's nothing a person can do, why even bother "trying to think like them", in the first place? I'm not a young woman, so "no", thinking like them is not possible. Understanding them, sure.

I just feel confused that some people easily agrees.

Easily agree to, or simply "supportive" and have a "positive outlook" for the start of new employees to the company?

And plus the whole big scandal that happen now is because of the addition.

It's not a big scandal, more like a huge misunderstanding backed by a bunch of frauds, liars, and antis. T-ara hasn't lost much, and things are still progressing.

And your second point, it's definitely not a suggestion from them. Remember they only know about areum and dani addition after reading the news like us. And hwayoung addition, it's not either if you watch their interviews. All ideas from the CEO with 30 years of experience. And using logic, why on earth would anyone willing to share profits they made with some stranger.

This all started to take root back this passed January, with an official report from a Core Contents Media representative debunking the rumors about T-ara gaining a new 8th member from the Global Super Idol show. It wasn't until March of this year, that it was announced by Kim Kwang Soo that there will be a change to the member line up. So, as I ask you again about how possible it is that adding a member could've been a suggestion from one or more members between January and March of this year. I guess you didn't read that "online news article" about our Eunjung's interview with KBS 2TV‘s Star Life Theater, last month, on how she was initially worried about the additions, but then didn't need to worry anymore after meeting them later on. Which pretty much ended your argument before it even began.

Oh, and your signature too.

[[POLL] Do you agree w/ adding 2 new members?]

Even not considering the recent controversy with T-ara, i just don't think it's a very good idea to ad new members in the middle of a group's career. It will be hard on the group, the fans, and the new members themselves. Not to mention that i think t-ara will be too big after the addition of 2 new memebers.

In the middle of their careers? I believe they have a very long career ahead of them. Actually AKB48 and its sister groups are truly big, if not massive in both quality and quantity. Plus, by adding these 2 members, it will help prolong the group even further, making it no different when Soyeon, Boram, and Qri joined. Would it not be a safe assumption that there's a possibility that our girls can reach a higher degree of success as a 9 member group, since turning into from a 5 to a 3 to a 6 to a 7 to a 8, and now a temporary leave back to 7 with an eventual reunited 8, later on this year to a 9?

Once our dear Hwayoung returns to our T-ara, everything will get better.

I do wonder really much why some fans easily agree to adding new members. The first thought I have is how unfair it is to the T-ara members. I always try to imagine being in T-ara's place, it is the main reason why I'm strongly opposed to this. Think about how the T-ara members would think if they know their fans easily agree to it...

Did any of our girls stated publicly that "it is unfair to add Areum and Dani"? Or did they perform and shared the stage with their newest members at their recent fan meet? Perhaps it is best in taking the truth from them, no? I think and believe that our girls are well and able, especially mature enough, to make things better, not worse.

Oh and another thing, whose to say that adding the members wasn't a suggestion from our girls to begin with? Think about that.

[[DISC] Facts or Speculation regarding T-ara's Crisis]

This is one of the rewards that they've got indirectly from their efforts. It feels so sad that because of this incident, they will have to start rebuilding their reputation again. I'll be supporting them all the way, but it's just so sad they've lost a lot of things with these scandals. I really wish the incident never happened, because right now we would have been waiting for their 'Sexy love' comeback stage and watching their latest MV reach 4-5 million views. Sigh*

With the support of we, the fans, our T-ara will make their come back together, once our dear Hwayoung reunites with our girls, and their popularity shall be greatly increased and then some more. It is good that they are getting recognized over there more too. I'm still looking forward to their U.S. debut.

[[POLL] Do you agree w/ adding 2 new members?]

For me, I voted "Yes", "Helping Popularity", "Helping Soyeon", and "Others". Because I believe Core Contents Media is trying to make "T-ara" a legacy for them. It is understandable that a company realizes that later on, as their current artists grow more mature and start making their own families, bring in new, and potential, talents makes sense. I can recall several groups who've done something similar, which makes me assume that this time around will be different, because Core Contents Media is aware why those groups struggled before. Jewelry, whose current members are not the original members, but who still carry on the legacy very much. Before it was unheard of any group to do this, but because this was a new and interesting take which garnered an opportunity for the younger generation of idols to "really" be a part of their favorite artists, and in terms of enduring a group's legacy and fashion the modeling of the concept of family into the industry equation, created a bridge between them and their audience much more, not to much businesses in general when looking in the long term. Thus, began the additional members to become a mainstream focal point for a company nowadays, and Core Contents Media is no different as other companies presently.

Do I think Areum and Dani can help carry on the T-ara legacy, when they become the leaders and veterans of the group?

It's possible. It all depends on how well they are able to accomplish their goals and overcome their challenges. Sure, it's easy to have doubts and walk away from something when nothing has been proven that there can be a positive outlook for this endeavor. After Areum's and Dani's work so far with their Day By Day and group promotions, including with their fan meet that showed T-ara as a 9 member group, I think both of them show potential. Sure they need to train and become more familiar with T-ara, the company, and the business altogether, but I won't write them off, just because of their age, or their current relationships with the other members now. I look forward to what they can do.

Once our Hwayoung reunites with our T-ara, and make their comeback together as a 9 member group, things will become more clear in what direction they will go on.

[[DISC] Facts or Speculation regarding T-ara's Crisis]

For the Queen, if you really want to prove the antis otherwise, then the only effective way is to make it to the news so that the blind readers can also catch your points instead of just reading all the antis' "news". The only group that's been doing that is CCM, but as we all know, CCM is stupid and aren't really credible enough in term of "news", as CCM's news are more like indirect bashing.

Well, our dearly beloved Soyeon already did that via interview, which backed our side and made all the antis look like a bunch of liars and failed fabricators. Antis are being stubborn since that interview, and desperately trying to make up more lies.

[[12.08.15] Video - Jiyeon's Mom Interview]

I wanna see them perform as soon as possible. show their great music. so people will shut their mouth

Once our Hwayoung reunites with T-ara, under a new contract, I'm sure our T-ara will perform again, and again, and again, and yes, or course, again, with some vacation in between, and then perform again, and again, and again, . . . yup, again, for all of us fans.

[[12.08.16] T-ara's Eunjung bows her head and refuses to answer questions about the "T-ara situation"]

Aigoo, not once, but twice they had to tell the reporters to keep the questions drama show related, not drama in a general sense. If the reporters want those questions answered, raise a whole lot of money to give to them to attend a T-ara Press Conference. But, I guess after what they did to our Hyomin, and now our Eunjung, I doubt they will take the money and attend it. After all, they did turn down millions before.

[[12.08.14] Video - T-ara Hyomin @ "One Thousandth Man" Press Con.]

One of a few things could explain why this reporter did here, . . .

1. Didn't hear the format for this press conference, for whatever distraction, and/or arrived late.

2. Heard it, but chose to ignore it and ask anyways, maybe it's even possible to land a rich scoop to inquire.

3. Was told by supervisor(s) to ask the question, no matter what.

4. Was dared to ask the question by fellow reporters.

Or, . . . it could've been all of these reasons together.

[[DISC] Facts or Speculation regarding T-ara's Crisis]

But changing the world, changing people's mindset is not easy. It's humans that complicates things in life, all the time, unfortunately.

True, it is not easy to change the minds of people, and it's both a good and bad a thing. Good, because that means we can't be easily manipulated, let alone, brainwashed into idiotic idealistic, including the unrealistic, ways of living life. Bad, to a degree that some current ideas leave no room for improvement, unless a great many successes are able to ease and overcome the concerns and worries surrounding it. It is also an unfortunate truth that humans do make mistakes from time to time, but as long as we humans are still able to make things better, we can still redeem ourselves and do our very best not to repeat them so often.

As for everything else in your posting, I agree.

[[12.08.14] T-ara's Soyeon determined to film for "Haeundae Lovers" tomorrow]

I think I could understand why our dear Soyeon is determined to work, because of the crew and staff and fellow actors recently got employed, and she doesn't want to burden them any further in her absence. She is thinking about them, and us, as we anticipate her work on this drama. As the saying goes, . . . time is money in the entertainment industry. There's only so much time a film crew can shoot in a specific location. Not to mention catering, lodgings, paid wages, taxes, insurance, and a whole bunch of other essential aspects for a drama to be completed. Soyeon is most likely thinking about a great many things, which probably includes this as well. I applaud her spirit, it is unfortunate that she gotten into an accident along with 5 others on a slippery road that sent the vehicle into hydroplaning mode.

I hope she recovers soon, and perform her best for her role in the drama.

[[12.08.14] T-ara's Hyomin says with tears in her eyes, "Please only ask me about the drama"]

Just a wild guess here, maybe perhaps this reporter asked this unproven question in retaliation against the lawsuits Core Contents Media filed against some of them, which probably got some of them reprimanded, or even fired, and most likely got sucked into the lies of those fabrications and fake evidences of bullying recently.