[SPAZZ] America? :D

[ergo.elaine]

As much as I'd love to see them debut over in North America (esp Canada =P), I don't think it'll happen. They should focus on continuing to build their success in Asia.

[TARA-JIYEON]

Personally, i think it will be hard to branch out to the america industry although there might be fans there too.

[chinch89]

America...hmmm the mainstream there are just too strong. So come to Malaysia instead! Where the mainstream is like non-existent. If K-pop were to come to Malaysia, I tell you 100% domination. Even most Chinese artist in Malaysia expand their career in Taiwan or something.

[Emperor Ryu]

Since the K-Pop genre is expanding more and more into the U.S. and Europe. I think T-ara is going to have a much easier time getting noticed than before. The challenges that are ahead of them is finding the right beat and flow, not to mention lyrics and imagery, to match the American Cultural Expectations "currently". So entertainment experts in the industry over here in the U.S. is a definite must to make the transition. As generalizing that may sound, it is going to take lots and lots of hard work to show the people over here that T-ara is not only capable, but can deliver an enduring mesmerizing performance in the industry.

Since they have accomplished a good amount of success and experience thus far in their careers, I believe T-ara can accomplish this.

Sing it, dance it, and bring it T-ara.

[cutieee]

Unfortunately I think it's going to be a while before T-ara even starts making their way to the U.S. :/ they need to know english for sure, gain a stronger fan base here, and honestly....people here are jerks sometimes

but if/when they do come to the states, I'll be one of the first at their concerts haha! x]

[heaven2made]

i think they're not prepared yet for America.. it's because of the fan base.. but who knows, in the 1 or 2 years more, they will~

[Emperor Ryu]

I suppose we'll find out when they put on a concert in San Francisco, California, on January 13, 2012.

[Seents]

Going to America to do a concert is okay although they would need to a bigger fanbase.

Staying there like how the Wonder Girls did is just a bad idea.

[Emperor Ryu]

Going to America to do a concert is okay although they would need to a bigger fanbase.

Staying there like how the Wonder Girls did is just a bad idea.

I'm sure every K-Pop artists have learned from the Wonder Girls by now. But that doesn't mean our girls won't be successful for their concert, to say the least.

I think there is a strong fanbase in the U.S., thanks to the internet. The only question that remains is "How many of them will show up for our girls' concert?"

[Fr0z0]

Maybe concerts there once a while might be fine, but debuting in america? I dont think so yet. I dont understand why people want them or any other group to debut in America.

[Grimlock]

My question is why not also do one in NY while they were in the US. I'd never want them to debut here. Kpop can't survive in America, it's two different music cultures.

[Emperor Ryu]

Maybe concerts there once a while might be fine, but debuting in america? I dont think so yet. I dont understand why people want them or any other group to debut in America.

That's easy to answer, . . . there are K-Pop (T-ara) fans in the U.S. Obviously.

My question is why not also do one in NY while they were in the US. I'd never want them to debut here. Kpop can't survive in America, it's two different music cultures.

That would be awesome if T-ara did a concert in New York City.

As for K-Pop surviving in the U.S., very likely and quite realistically possible, given the successful concerts held by other K-Pop artists recently in New York City, Las Vegas, and Los Angeles, therefore null and voids the music culture discrimination part at the end there.

[sleepystudent]

Maybe concerts there once a while might be fine, but debuting in america? I dont think so yet. I dont understand why people want them or any other group to debut in America.

Why not? I mean it's a challenge since the American music industry is hard to get into If they do succeed, then BANZAI!

My question is why not also do one in NY while they were in the US. I'd never want them to debut here. Kpop can't survive in America, it's two different music cultures.

it's true that they're different music cultures but that doesn't mean it can't survive in America. Not everyone in America will just only like American type music, I personally like Kpop music over American music, it's much more pleasant to my ears.

I'm sure every K-Pop artists have learned from the Wonder Girls by now. But that doesn't mean our girls won't be successful for their concert, to say the least.

I think there is a strong fanbase in the U.S., thanks to the internet. The only question that remains is "How many of them will show up for our girls' concert?"

haha yep, i'm pretty sure there are a lot of T-ara fans in the US, as far as i know, the family concert had about 8000 tickets sold already before the postponed sooo~

[Toan]

As for K-Pop surviving in the U.S., very likely and quite realistically possible, given the successful concerts held by other K-Pop artists recently in New York City, Las Vegas, and Los Angeles, therefore null and voids the music culture discrimination part at the end there.

You gotta take into consideration that the America (US) music industry is much much bigger than that of the Korean. Of course there are enough kpop fans in the US to buy out ANY, I repeat, ANY, given kpop concert here. Why? Because unlike the regular american artist, the kpop fans are much more desperate because they hardly get to see their idols live, making it much easier to have a sold out concert. But you're delusional if you think discrimination is non-existent just because of that. All the kpop concerts so far are only and will only be supported by the kpop fans. Realistically, trying to convert the rest of the US population into liking them is not likely. I dare if you can name any successful mainstream artist in America that have the fobbish (as they called it) accent. BoA was the one made the most impact in America, but it was still no where close to success. What we found here is that majority of American were and still are very closed-minded. That's the ugly truth.

[Emperor Ryu]

haha yep, i'm pretty sure there are a lot of T-ara fans in the US, as far as i know, the family concert had about 8000 tickets sold already before the postponed sooo~

Yup. I hope our girls and fans have a good time at the concert.

You gotta take into consideration that the America (US) music industry is much much bigger than that of the Korean. Of course there are enough kpop fans in the US to buy out ANY, I repeat, ANY, given kpop concert here. Why? Because unlike the regular american artist, the kpop fans are much more desperate because they hardly get to see their idols live, making it much easier to have a sold out concert. But you're delusional if you think discrimination is non-existent just because of that. All the kpop concerts so far are only and will only be supported by the kpop fans. Realistically, trying to convert the rest of the US population into liking them is not likely. I dare if you can name any successful mainstream artist in America that have the fobbish (as they called it) accent. BoA was the one made the most impact in America, but it was still no where close to success. What we found here is that majority of American were and still are very closed-minded. That's the ugly truth.

Here is why I think it is quite absurd in your line of arguing to assume that there's a grand majority of discrimination in music in the U.S. I don't think you can tell the difference between favoritism and bigotry, unless your deliberations hasn't reached to that conclusion yet. The base foundation of the U.S. music market is to celebrate the spirit and joy in and through music, in a diverse cultural society. Even many artists from around the world come to the U.S., because people enjoy listening and learning music from around the world here with each generation. It is quite apprehensive to assume music is now the means of invading another country, unless meaningless pride has finally blinded the truth that music is just music and not weapons of mass destruction. The lucidness in K-Pop in the U.S. is found in the perception to enjoy and understand the music and culture, not to mention its people and the artists who represent them. Certainly there are degrees of favoritism that is exercised every day of every moment in people's lives. That doesn't mean there are huge lynch mobs of anti-K-Pop-protestors, roaming the streets demanding a ban be placed on Korea, all over the U.S. You're scared then, if you think this way.

Thanks to the internet and superb technologies, many Americans enjoy music in a real time setting these days, and look forward to live performances that will be coming to them. Americans are not closed-minded. There are many reasons why K-Pop hasn't broke ground till now in the U.S., and I can assure you, discrimination is definitely not one of those reasons, unless your argument is claiming to be a U.S. music industry insider that enjoys relaxing and joking around with leading CEOs on company paid retreats, and vacations at luxurious resorts, and get-aways, which I doubt right now. The "ugly truth" syndrome is just a silly cliche, because "truth" is just "the truth" with no emotional attachments. The truth in K-Pop in the U.S. is thriving and building, which will endure generation after generation of our people, because music is a part of our lives.

[sleepystudent]

Americans are not closed-minded.

Well... Not all but it's half and half. There are some Americans that are (very) close-minded. Maybe it was because they never had the pleasure of expanding their world.

Somewhat Off topic but has anyone watched the video "Kids React: To Kpop"? it's actually pretty interesting. It points out the sad truth of the kpop industry in America. Kids tell no lies. Although some remarks made by these kids seem ignorant, i think it's a reflection of how most Americans, mainly those who've doesn't come into contact with anything Asian (or very little contact), would react to kpop, that's just my opinion.

[Grimlock]

Holy crap are we rebutting posts with essays now? Yes, Kpop has grown a ton, but it's naive to think it'll survive as a respected genre in the US. WG is a living example of this. Kpop is another foreign novelty in the US, like anime, that will have a strong but small fanbase and never be taken seriously by the majority of people. It's tough statement but it holds weight.

And it's naive to think there won't be "antiKpop" people. It's society, as long as there are fans of something, there will just as many people against it with a voice equally as loud as the "real fans".

[sleepystudent]

Holy crap are we rebutting posts with essays now? Yes, Kpop has grown a ton, but it's naive to think it'll survive as a respected genre in the US. WG is a living example of this. Kpop is another foreign novelty in the US, like anime, that will have a strong but small fanbase and never be taken seriously by the majority of people. It's tough statement but it holds weight.

And it's naive to think there won't be "antiKpop" people. It's society, as long as there are fans of something, there will just as many people against it with a voice equally as loud as the "real fans".

I think Kpop can survive as a genre in the US. It'll just take some time. Even though America is the land of the free, and all that good stuff, it seriously lags behind in certain aspects

I think it's seriously hilarious that the history of the US was made from immigrants, a melting pot of different race, culture and ethnicity but when something new comes in and tries to ingrate itself within, they automatically rebel and lock it's doors.

Even though the doors are locked, because of persistency and with the help of those who understands, the doors always open up, even if it's little by little. We can see that with the Wonder Girls. The kpop artists that came before them didn't have a chance but they made the first crack within the door. The Wonder Girls is going to make a slightly bigger crack and for the future kpop artists coming to America, they'll pave a way into the US music industry

Or at least that's how i view it. Maybe in 50, 20, or even 10 years we'll see a change~

[Grimlock]

Let the popularity grow naturally, if it's forced on people it'll go the wrong direction. WG was taken semi-seriously by people in the US until people learned that they're the opening act for the Jonas bros [or something like that]. RIP any serious career here not fueled by Disney show fans.

With the internet and social networks, Kpop has all the resources it needs to grow fanbases internationally. Get a few concerts here and there [and NOT cancel them last minute] and they may have something concrete. It may be even sooner. It's like Daft Punk. No one really paid them any mind [let's be serious] until people heard Kanye's Stronger which sampled them.

[Toan]

Here is why I think it is quite absurd in your line of arguing to assume that there's a grand majority of discrimination in music in the U.S. I don't think you can tell the difference between favoritism and bigotry, unless your deliberations hasn't reached to that conclusion yet. The base foundation of the U.S. music market is to celebrate the spirit and joy in and through music, in a diverse cultural society. Even many artists from around the world come to the U.S., because people enjoy listening and learning music from around the world here with each generation. It is quite apprehensive to assume music is now the means of invading another country, unless meaningless pride has finally blinded the truth that music is just music and not weapons of mass destruction. The lucidness in K-Pop in the U.S. is found in the perception to enjoy and understand the music and culture, not to mention its people and the artists who represent them. Certainly there are degrees of favoritism that is exercised every day of every moment in people's lives. That doesn't mean there are huge lynch mobs of anti-K-Pop-protestors, roaming the streets demanding a ban be placed on Korea, all over the U.S. You're scared then, if you think this way.

Thanks to the internet and superb technologies, many Americans enjoy music in a real time setting these days, and look forward to live performances that will be coming to them. Americans are not closed-minded. There are many reasons why K-Pop hasn't broke ground till now in the U.S., and I can assure you, discrimination is definitely not one of those reasons, unless your argument is claiming to be a U.S. music industry insider that enjoys relaxing and joking around with leading CEOs on company paid retreats, and vacations at luxurious resorts, and get-aways, which I doubt right now. The "ugly truth" syndrome is just a silly cliche, because "truth" is just "the truth" with no emotional attachments. The truth in K-Pop in the U.S. is thriving and building, which will endure generation after generation of our people, because music is a part of our lives.

If you really want to get technical on the arguments, then let me ask you this simple question. When you mentioned "many American", how much is that "many" in proportion to the whole population, that actually enjoy K-pop?

I've never claimed that discrimination is the grand factor preventing Kpop to be successful in the US. I don't even know where you pulled that off from. As for my remarks about American being close-minded, I stand by my statement. I don't know where you get your information to prove me otherwise, but I live in this so called "liberal" state (and yes liberal are much more open-minded than them conservatives. Prove me wrong if you want, or should I say, if you can) and I've seen enough of it.

Obviously there are many other reasons preventing Kpop to be successful in the US industry, I'm not going to bother going into much details.

@bold statement: Let me stop you here real quick. Meaningless pride...interesting. Did you recall the 2009 presidential election? Did you remember how often one side of the presidency kept talking and only talking about maverick and patriotic? Did you also recalled how close of an election it was..even though one side was completely making a fool out of themselves? Voting based on political party rather than the potential of the candidate themselves in a prime example of "meaningless pride". Yes, American are full of it.

BUT, don't take me wrong. I NEVER said that Kpop will not be successful in the U.S. All I claimed was that the likelihood of kpop being successful is MUCH MUCH lower than what you are claiming it to be. Sure maybe in some distant future that the Korean culture has grown to be one of the biggest in the US, but for now it's not going to happen.

[Emperor Ryu]

Well... Not all but it's half and half. There are some Americans that are (very) close-minded. Maybe it was because they never had the pleasure of expanding their world.

Somewhat Off topic but has anyone watched the video "Kids React: To Kpop"? it's actually pretty interesting. It points out the sad truth of the kpop industry in America. Kids tell no lies. Although some remarks made by these kids seem ignorant, i think it's a reflection of how most Americans, mainly those who've doesn't come into contact with anything Asian (or very little contact), would react to kpop, that's just my opinion.




Not noticing K-Pop due to the lack of advertising and media exposures nationwide, let alone in-depth studying and listening into the genre, this includes learning the language too, does not mean "close-mindness". One must factor all possible variables that range from affect money spending, to reactions and enjoyment of the music, in order to better understand what is going on here. What do you mean about expanding our world? I find this comment rather unjustified, considering our nation's capabilities in a world wide range of subjects.



Yes, I have. And to point out, the kids are still "learning about the world". I find it funny, if not hilarious, to just zero in on the negative opinions on that youtube series, which opinions can change over time for these kids, now mind you all, instead of pointing out that half of them actually "like" and "support" K-Pop.



Holy crap are we rebutting posts with essays now? Yes, Kpop has grown a ton, but it's naive to think it'll survive as a respected genre in the US. WG is a living example of this. Kpop is another foreign novelty in the US, like anime, that will have a strong but small fanbase and never be taken seriously by the majority of people. It's tough statement but it holds weight.



And it's naive to think there won't be "antiKpop" people. It's society, as long as there are fans of something, there will just as many people against it with a voice equally as loud as the "real fans".



It's being established in the U.S., and the concerts are the proof that the genre is respected, and will survive and grow. Despite setbacks, which can be interpreted as "testing" and "figuring out strategies" to establish a bridge between the two countries in this avenue, they didn't give up, and that alone deserves credit to the genre and the artists, since Baby V.O.X. Sure there will be a minority of haters who have not yet adjusted to the fact that Koreans are fellow human beings with the same amount of passions for music, like us Americans. That doesn't mean that the entire country is against K-Pop though. Now that, I find completely naive. Since when did a few people have jurisdiction over the rest of the population on music, when it is their time and money as well, in the first place?





I think Kpop can survive as a genre in the US. It'll just take some time. Even though America is the land of the free, and all that good stuff, it seriously lags behind in certain aspects



I think it's seriously hilarious that the history of the US was made from immigrants, a melting pot of different race, culture and ethnicity but when something new comes in and tries to ingrate itself within, they automatically rebel and lock it's doors.



Even though the doors are locked, because of persistency and with the help of those who understands, the doors always open up, even if it's little by little. We can see that with the Wonder Girls. The kpop artists that came before them didn't have a chance but they made the first crack within the door. The Wonder Girls is going to make a slightly bigger crack and for the future kpop artists coming to America, they'll pave a way into the US music industry



Or at least that's how i view it. Maybe in 50, 20, or even 10 years we'll see a change~




Let's take the Baby V.O.X and Wonder Girls angles here, and here, . . .


Under the section of Seventh Album, controversies, and disbandment, for Baby V.O.X, there is no mentioning of a nationwide outrage against the girls. A dispute over the usage of certain lyrics and inner conflicts in the K-Pop industry, does not mean the doors to the U.S. is closed (-minded) and locked.


During 2009 and 2010, was a year of learning and understanding U.S. culture and how it operates for the Wonder Girls first hand. This too, was a tough time for the girls, because Sunmi decided to postpone any further actives with the group. Thus, a new member, Hyerim, had to catch up with what was going on at the time. No doubt, this will affect advertising and media, including the U.S. fans about the change. This doesn't mean K-Pop was hated, let alone denied any further performances. Granted, there was a degree of disappointment and concern, especially when it came to new fans to the genre for the very first time, here in the U.S. But the Wonder Girls demonstrated their faith in music, and in themselves to endure onwards, as K-Pop continues to grow throughout the world.

BoA is actually considered the very first K-Pop artists to succeed in the U.S., before the Wonder Girls, in 2008. She is still activate, and continues to strive on the Hallyu Wave, as she demonstrated at the SM Town Concert in New York recently last year.


I agree that time will be a factor for the U.S. to become well-adjusted to listening to K-Pop, but not with that much time. I give it at the most 3 to 5 years, because of the internet and growing media on Korean culture that is happening now.

Let the popularity grow naturally, if it's forced on people it'll go the wrong direction. WG was taken semi-seriously by people in the US until people learned that they're the opening act for the Jonas bros [or something like that]. RIP any serious career here not fueled by Disney show fans.



With the internet and social networks, Kpop has all the resources it needs to grow fanbases internationally. Get a few concerts here and there [and NOT cancel them last minute] and they may have something concrete. It may be even sooner. It's like Daft Punk. No one really paid them any mind [let's be serious] until people heard Kanye's Stronger which sampled them.

I agree, K-Pop should be suggested and recommended, and given a chance for other people to listen to, and the internet is an excellent medium to bridge K-Pop to the rest of the world, including the U.S.




If you really want to get technical on the arguments, then let me ask you this simple question. When you mentioned "many American", how much is that "many" in proportion to the whole population, that actually enjoy K-pop?
I've never claimed that discrimination is the grand factor preventing Kpop to be successful in the US. I don't even know where you pulled that off from. As for my remarks about American being close-minded, I stand by my statement. I don't know where you get your information to prove me otherwise, but I live in this so called "liberal" state (and yes liberal are much more open-minded than them conservatives. Prove me wrong if you want, or should I say, if you can) and I've seen enough of it.
Obviously there are many other reasons preventing Kpop to be successful in the US industry, I'm not going to bother going into much details.
@bold statement: Let me stop you here real quick. Meaningless pride...interesting. Did you recall the 2009 presidential election? Did you remember how often one side of the presidency kept talking and only talking about maverick and patriotic? Did you also recalled how close of an election it was..even though one side was completely making a fool out of themselves? Voting based on political party rather than the potential of the candidate themselves in a prime example of "meaningless pride". Yes, American are full of it.



BUT, don't take me wrong. I NEVER said that Kpop will not be successful in the U.S. All I claimed was that the likelihood of kpop being successful is MUCH MUCH lower than what you are claiming it to be. Sure maybe in some distant future that the Korean culture has grown to be one of the biggest in the US, but for now it's not going to happen.

The Americans who go online, for example, youtube, and attend concerts. That's a lot of people, considering just how much more media coverage has included K-Pop in the U.S.

Here is what you stated, "What we found here is that majority of American were and still are very closed-minded.", quite interesting when considering "discrimination" is synonymous to "close-mindedness", especially in the political arena. What does U.S. politics have to do with K-Pop? Just to point out your argument has just stepped on its own land mine here.

Yes, you do have the right to self-doubt the expectations on K-Pop in the U.S., but that does not mean it is the overall authority and "truth" over the rest of us. Even though your argument is quite contradicting to the concerts and media growth that happened, and continue to happen here, in the U.S.

[sleepystudent]




Not noticing K-Pop due to the lack of advertising and media exposures nationwide, let alone in-depth studying and listening into the genre, this includes learning the language too, does not mean "close-mindness". One must factor all possible variables that range from affect money spending, to reactions and enjoyment of the music, in order to better understand what is going on here. What do you mean about expanding our world? I find this comment rather unjustified, considering our nation's capabilities in a world wide range of subjects.



When i mention close-mindness, i mean those who were were exposed to it but doesn't want anything to do with it, but i guess my second sentence threw that off. I was actually thinking about a Chinese idiom when i wrote that second sentence as a connection to my previous sentence but i guess those who haven't heard of it would have thought my sentences were weird hence your rebuttal.

But i have to agree with Toan Nguyen, Americans can be close-minded, whether it be for kpop or any other issues. It has nothing to do with lack of ads/media exposure and what nots.

Not sure about that bold statement there means but although our country does have the knowledge of a world wide range of subjects, it doesn't really present itself right in your face, not unless you search for it.

Yes, I have. And to point out, the kids are still "learning about the world". I find it funny, if not hilarious, to just zero in on the negative opinions on that youtube series, which opinions can change over time for these kids, now mind you all, instead of pointing out that half of them actually "like" and "support" K-Pop.



You mean the on the other sites and the youtube site that were bad mouthing the kids? well it was hilarious (especially the kids' facial reactions) and i found it really informative on how the younger generation reacts to kpop. Half of them like it, the other half doesn't. Simple as that.

Although i have to agree when the kids said "they all look the same" xD I had the same problem when i was first saw SNSD, but now i can tell them apart, they're so different!!

But wouldn't it be cool if those who said they wouldn't listen to it, actually grew to love it? I hope that happens.. someday

[Toan]

But wouldn't it be cool if those who said they wouldn't listen to it, actually grew to love it? I hope that happens.. someday

It does happen. I just hope it happens more often...enough to prove me otherwise about the U.S. society.

The Americans who go online, for example, youtube, and attend concerts. That's a lot of people, considering just how much more media coverage has included K-Pop in the U.S.

Here is what you stated, "What we found here is that majority of American were and still are very closed-minded.", quite interesting when considering "discrimination" is synonymous to "close-mindedness", especially in the political arena. What does U.S. politics have to do with K-Pop? Just to point out your argument has just stepped on its own land mine here.

Yes, you do have the right to self-doubt the expectations on K-Pop in the U.S., but that does not mean it is the overall authority and "truth" over the rest of us. Even though your argument is quite contradicting to the concerts and media growth that happened, and continue to happen here, in the U.S.

1. Just because people saw Kpop does not mean that they're interested nor like it. As for concerts, how many of them happened yearly that you can name on top of your head? Beside KMF and SMTown (which can gather say....50 thousand people? Compared to what? 300+ MILLIONS people in the US. Yeah that's totally big news alright. KMF and SMTown has been there for a while now , yet there's hardly any SIGNIFICANT improvement in kpop influence. And just FYI, the most recent SMTown LA were not successful as what the media has claimed to be...and that was what? 2010. Yep, just over a year ago).

2. Discrimination is a result of closed-mindedness. Being close-mindedness covered a much bigger scope OUTSIDE the field of discrimination. There's a difference. It's like saying America = US because clearly that's wrong. The politics reference is to prove my "closed-mindedness" argument, NOT discrimination.

3. Just take a look at this topic as a whole, split the vote of people for and against kpop artists debuting here, you can see which point of view is held by the majority.

[Emperor Ryu]

When i mention close-mindness, i mean those who were were exposed to it but doesn't want anything to do with it, but i guess my second sentence threw that off. I was actually thinking about a Chinese idiom when i wrote that second sentence as a connection to my previous sentence but i guess those who haven't heard of it would have thought my sentences were weird hence your rebuttal.



But i have to agree with Toan Nguyen, Americans can be close-minded, whether it be for kpop or any other issues. It has nothing to do with lack of ads/media exposure and what nots.



Not sure about that bold statement there means but although our country does have the knowledge of a world wide range of subjects, it doesn't really present itself right in your face, not unless you search for it.



You mean the on the other sites and the youtube site that were bad mouthing the kids? well it was hilarious (especially the kids' facial reactions) and i found it really informative on how the younger generation reacts to kpop. Half of them like it, the other half doesn't. Simple as that.



Although i have to agree when the kids said "they all look the same" xD I had the same problem when i was first saw SNSD, but now i can tell them apart, they're so different!!



But wouldn't it be cool if those who said they wouldn't listen to it, actually grew to love it? I hope that happens.. someday

Ah, okay, that is what you meant. But to clarify, that means "shunning".

To be realistic, people in general, no matter what region that they originate from, can choose to become close-minded if they wanted to. It's a human ability to be either characterized as focused on a set of guidelines, or ignorant. Of course advertising and media exposure is part of the music industry to promote the products, which happens to be the music itself. During 2009 and 2010, K-Pop was not garnered with the amount of success 2011 earned for them.

I'll take this, "although our country does have the knowledge of a world wide range of subjects, it doesn't really present itself right in your face, not unless you search for it." as your apology for making this "Maybe it was because they never had the pleasure of expanding their world." earlier.

Indeed, for kids it will be simple for them. As they grow up, who knows, all of them could like K-Pop by then.

As for the "those not liking it, ending up liking it", I've seen this happen first hand on occasion for K-Pop.

1. Just because people saw Kpop does not mean that they're interested nor like it. As for concerts, how many of them happened yearly that you can name on top of your head? Beside KMF and SMTown (which can gather say....50 thousand people? Compared to what? 300+ MILLIONS people in the US. Yeah that's totally big news alright. KMF and SMTown has been there for a while now , yet there's hardly any SIGNIFICANT improvement in kpop influence. And just FYI, the most recent SMTown LA were not successful as what the media has claimed to be...and that was what? 2010. Yep, just over a year ago).


2. Discrimination is a result of closed-mindedness. Being close-mindedness covered a much bigger scope OUTSIDE the field of discrimination. There's a difference. It's like saying America = US because clearly that's wrong. The politics reference is to prove my "closed-mindedness" argument, NOT discrimination.


3. Just take a look at this topic as a whole, split the vote of people for and against kpop artists debuting here, you can see which point of view is held by the majority.


1. Same goes for those who saw it, and then ending up hating it, because they don't understand the language. There is no claim in your argument to clearly state that K-Pop is fail in the U.S. None whatsoever. You might as well be arguing apples and oranges, despite the concert turnouts for them. Before them, there weren't K-Pop concerts of that magnitude with the level of media exposure back then. Your argument fails to mention the internet medium in the U.S. too. How many Americans purchase computers and smartphones, amongst other hardwares to stay connected with the rest of the world? Lots. How many internet social mediums involved K-Pop online? Lots. Viewing the video uploads of those concerts just screams success, because it demonstrates just how much K-Pop is growing in the U.S. since BoA and Baby V.O.X. The only thing "significant" in this point, is its inability to consider the growth scale since 1996.

2. Actually politics has absolutely nothing to do with K-Pop, henceforth, discrimination and closed-mindedness is similar nonetheless, which makes this point a fail too. Oh, and to prove to you this point is an epic fail, . . . U.S.A. = United States of "America".

3. The people here are not all from the U.S. Sorry, but I totally disagree with your arguments.

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Whoa a concert here and there does in no manner mean it's a respected thing. Going back to my previous example; anime, look at how crowded some of these anime conventions are and yet how ridiculed the subject is among mainstream America.

I'm not saying Kpop won't be successful in the US, it just won't be at this time. They need to learn how music culture in the US works before bringing that stuff over here. And when they are over here, what the proper channels are so they don't turn out to be a joke.