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Although I hate to bring this up as this situation is already disheartening enough as it is, it hasn't been addressed here yet to my knowledge (sorry if it has, I haven't been keeping up with the thread too much). Unfortunately, there is currently an official petition on the popular Korean site "Daum" which is calling for the disbandment of the group. It already has thousands of signatures that have been growing in number by the minute:
Typical netizen f*ckery at its finest. In any event, I wouldn't lend too much credence to that ridiculous petition...the majority of the people signing were either antis to begin with or were casual fans who are seeing what they want to see and believing what they want to believe. And let's face it, people are always going to pay more attention to the bad than they will the good. I'm sure there are some people who were true fans signing on to it, but this whole mess has given all of their haters the chance to come out in force. They can pretty much say and do whatever they want, up to the point of getting away with murder, and they'd be championed for it.
At any rate it's amazing at the levels of hypocrisy I'm witnessing from all the bashing going on. These people are supposedly outraged at the bullying that took place, yet the comments I've seen in response are far nastier than anything the girls have allegedly done thus far. I can understand that people are upset, but at least be mature about it.
Anyways, I guess we'll see what happens, but I have a feeling that this story is far from over...
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brace yourself guys. big xxxx will occur in just another 2 or 3 days
I think if this big news was their disbandment (which is i think it's a really small chance for this to happen because of the contract and stuff they have) it will be a very very big loss for CCM and also KKS as their CEO.
my prediction was maybe a graduating member? maybe it will be one from the 6 members (eunjung, jiyeon, boram, qri, soyeon, hyomin) since they are the old members and CCM really don't want to lose T-ara trademark as one of the hottest group right now in kpop industry. they still got young members like hwayoung, dani, ahreum so maybe they will start fresh as the new main of the group.
well, i hope all of this was just some kind of prank though. i really love seeing 7 of them together and with additional members like Dani and Ahreum, i really found them more interesting. been a fan since their debut days though, and i think right now is probably their most interesting moments after 3 years in music industry.
I don't think a disbandment will happen either, but I think the possibility of a member leaving/being replaced is VERY likely due to all of the craziness going on right now. I fear even if this was a huge misunderstanding that someone may have to leave simply because right now, it sounds like netizens are calling for certain member's heads and I'm wondering if the situation has simply reached a point where saying "Sorry, it was all a big misunderstanding" won't be good enough. I feel the only way that may work is if the girls in question take a break from the group for a bit, and I don't see KKS putting T-ara on a hiatus of any sort, sadly. They need one in the worst way, but I just don't see him giving them what they're probably hoping will be their punishment. I am very curious to see how this all works out. We all know that if a member leaves then someone will be brought in to take her place to fulfill KKS's ridiculous ploy of going up against SNSD.
Anyways, good night fellas. I feel a million times better after talking to some of you, so thank you for that.
But life calls, and I work tomorrow. It's now 2:52 P.M. Korean standard time, meaning we have roughly 22 more hours until D-day (that is, if KKS doesn't trolly-poly us like he usually does, lol). I suggest you all spend that time doing things non-T-ara related to keep your minds occupied. It'll help time go by faster. 
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I'm sad and disappointed, not towards T-ara but to some fellow Queen's. I can't blame them for being this way but I'm sad to know that their love for T-ara is this weak. I can't fathom that they'd easily waver because of this incident, when we haven't heard anything from the girls themselves. Although CCM definitely made a big mistake by saying their twitters got hacked, i mean that's just stupid. But as a fellow Queen's, I expected the fans to stand strong together and hopes that all of these are just misunderstandings. But instead we are divided, between T6 Vs Hwayoung.
I will admit, that if ever these are all true, I will truly be disappointed. But since it isn't confirmed yet, we should stand strong together against the many antis who are bashing T-ara. I'm quite sure T-ara needs us loyal fans by their side during and after this incident closes.(May it be proven or not).
Let's hope that announcement is not what we are most afraid of.
T-ara and Queen's are one!
Keep the faith and trust alive Queen's!
I think some Queen's are simply upset and venting their own frustrations and thinking aloud right now, so don't get too upset. It's not that people are questioning their loyalty to the group,it's that all of the uncertainty is causing stress and they need a chance to talk out loud and not feel like they're going to be considered a bad fan for doing so. Bear with them (and me, I've been doing it), everybody deals with crises in their own way. Let them talk and don't tell them they're a bad fan for being upset, the fact is that they're probably scared and they channel that into anger. It's healthy, it's normal, and it allows the person to decompress. I'm already feeling a bit better, and it's because some other fans have given me the opportunity to talk and just say what I needed to say. Let's let this be a safe place, and a forum where we can just say what we need to say without questioning each other in the process. The fandom is already divided enough, we need to try to hear everyone's POV and support each other.
Hell yes, agreed.
Eerily, I recall that Eunjung and Jiyeon (White and DH2, respectively) played in roles where the idol groups they're in have some serious internal conflict going on between the members. Major deja vu.
Regarding on the pleasure in knowning that the issue has definitely put a massive dent on even KKs himself, it's pretty clear that what he did so far has come to backfire on him completely. He's literally on the verge of losing his only real source of money and definitely, his bosses in CJ Group aren't going to be happy at all. Optimistically, it's possible even KKS's days as CEO are likely to be numbered. I won't even start to imagine just how much other agencies like SM, Cube, Starship, YG etc. are literally smiling over this since they now won't have to worry about any more serious competition for a good while.
Though I think the central issue to that is that no one ever expected T-ara to take such nasty hit themselves - even more so than KARA and possibly, DBSK if things continue to get worse onwards. At this rate, if T-ara's still going to continue actively promoting even after this incident, then by all means, CCM would make things even worse by a considerably bigger margin than now.
Haha, it's so funny that you mentioned White. I had just finished watching that a few days ago (damn good K-Horror btw), and ironically I was thinking to myself "Eunjung is a damn good actress to be able to portray this kind of infighting with other people since things seemed relatively sound within her own group." A little bit of fridge brilliance at work as now I'm wondering just how stable they were even back then...
But yeah, part of me believes that KKS is deserving everything that's coming to him right now. Gangkiz has turned out to be a total bust, Co-Ed/SPEED/5dolls have been utterly neglected with serious issues of their own, and poor Davichi, while digital queens in their own right, can't sell an album for sh!t. I just feel horrible that T-ara is receiving such a huge backlash from it. I never, EVER in a million years expected it to go down like this, but this is the price KKS pays...his "Midas touch" faded long ago as evidenced by his recent flop groups and his micromanagement of a group that was, for all intents and purposes, set to enter the upper echelons of K-Pop...had they just been left alone. All he's doing is leaving the door wide open for Sistar (who's recently come into their own with their past few comebacks) to steal T-ara's thunder, and they're doing just that. SME, YGE and JYP must be ecstatic.
It's probably a really weak reason, but what if -bare with me on this: what if if the guy doesn't like working on weekends and simply wanted to push the press conference or whatever it is he plans on doing until Monday? He's a troll, it's a plausible idea. The whole thing did blow up on a Saturday, right?
Lol, if that was the case, I'd laugh my ass off simply because that would mean that T-ara picked a day of the weekend to basically troll the hell out of KKS. But I don't think it's the case, from what I understand the man is a workaholic and as such is always busy doing something. It IS very telling, though, that this all blew up while he was out of the country...he's away from them for a matter of days and this has happened.
Even for me, I can't help but feel oblidged to stick by the group at this time.
This scandal may as well be T-ara's darkest hour and most biggest obstacle to go up against so far in their whole career since debut. We're looking at the possible destruction of one of the most popular girl groups out in Kpop and easily, it would leave a dark page for the history textbooks.
It almost seems as if CCM's become the agency of bad luck in all of Kpop. T-ara definitely isn't the only group under CCM to have fallen into a messy situation, that's for sure. (SeeYa, Co-Ed and subunit 5dolls have preceded them)
From what the T-ara members said themselves a long while back, KKs isn't the kind of guy to stop working - up to the point he's got a serious case of being a workaholic - which is definitely not healthy at all, seeing as how he doesn't consider T-ara to be anywhere close to being overworked or simply doesn't care.
If I wanted a weak reason, he's probably too busy playing with those robot models of his wherever he goes. Lol.
Supposedly, Qri is KKS's 'favorite' member. I don't know if this is true, but I did hear around that he seems to have some sort of preference over her, appearance-wise. This seemed to be based on how it was in Hello Baby.
That's what I'm thinking regarding T-ara's current situation...if they do in fact disband, it will be the first disbandment of a majorly popular girl group since the Hallyu wave first started, and it will not leave a pretty mark on K-Pop in general. It will force a lot of people to open their eyes and realize that the Korean pop music scene is not as pretty as it's made out to be. I'm just sad that it might be my bias group teaching that lesson. I really, REALLY hope it doesn't come to that.
And yeah, KKS has always seemed to have a soft spot in his heart for Qri...there's the rumors of the way in which she was recruited, how he fawns over her on their variety shows (watch T-aradotcom, you'll see what I mean), etc. She's a bombshell, I guess I really can't blame the man, but it's always come of as creepy as hell.
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i meant what i said as a pat on the back to your frustrations
. sorry if it came across as something elseOh, I'm sorry...I'm just on edge right now. Thank you for the support, and it's nice to see that the fans are being understanding with each other. We all just need to lean on each other like I see so many doing, it really does help. Again, thank you.
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easy mate ..
have faith and lets wait this out firstI've been a proud Queen's/Diadem since their debut. I'm not going anywhere. I've stuck through them through some particularly nasty scandals. But this is the worst they've encountered yet. It makes Jiyeon's webcam scandal and the member additions seem trivial in comparison. I'm all for sticking by them, and I will continue to, but you need to brace yourself in the event that tomorrow's news isn't pleasant, because lately when KKS makes an announcement regarding T-ara it's rarely good news. The fact that he's not announcing anything sooner means he's taking into account the severity of the situation and trying to figure exactly what course of action he can take that won't irreparably damage T-ara.
It's good that you want to continue sticking by them, and I will do the same, but we all need to be realistic about the situation as well. I don't mean to be a downer though, I just need to vent my frustrations and right now this is one of the few safe places to do so.
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I understand your frustration over the issue.
On my part, it was definitely unwise of Eunjung, Hyomin and Jiyeon in particular to pull off such a thing. I wouldn't go as far to put Soyeon and Boram in the same amount of blame as those three over a variety of reasons but that's another story that I explained more than once out in the AKP forums.
Though coming from a Korean, I can testify to their behavior just fine as I experienced it first hand back when I was at Korea myself. Hwayoung, arguably, didn't really contribute much from the group at all since Day One of her membership (6-ara fans would argue why T-ara never needed a 3rd rapper in the first place). On my part, I found it difficult to culturally and socially assimilate with the whole class since I lived overseas for most of my life but once I started acting like them and proved my 'worth' (that is, getting top scores for English, drawing skills and the list goes on), the whole atmosphere quickly cooled down and I enjoyed school as a whole.
Which goes to say, that's how Korea's society system had gone for quite a while - newbies are expected to prove their worth to the veterans of whatever group (whether it be school, sports team or even a military unit) to be 'accepted' and if they don't have much to offer, then they're pretty much kept as outcasts - in Hwayoung's case, her rapping wasn't sufficient enough. Seen it happen all too many times around at Korea and it isn't a really pretty sight at all - but unfortunately, a norm. The same probably has occurred to other idol groups out there and as a whole, occurs within the public. T-ara's just one of the many. It's ugly, but that's simply how it is.
I wouldn't go as to call them immature indefinitely since there's a lot of factors surrounding the issue here (Qri and Areum did likely sit out because they refused to get involved due to the risks but on Qri's part, I think she's on the same position as Boram and Soyeon - Areum would obviously be intimidated not to take part at all). The timing is more horrid since Korea as a nation had been bombarded with media reports regarding bullying and subsequent suicide amongst students this year - and the last thing netizens would want to hear about bullying is it occurring within an idol group, of all people.
Long-term wise, I really think this incident should serve as a definite warning towards CCM as to what can really happen if new members are added in a group that's already well-established (conflict between 6-ara likely did occur but I'd say it was far more stable back then). If Areum and Dani are still planning to stay in T-ara, I think they should really reconsider and actually stay away from the group indefinitely - Hwayoung wasn't even accepted and it's been 2 years since she joined - and honestly, Areum and Dani won't fare any better at all, if not worse because they're even younger. Adding more new members in T-ara is a completely detrimental move at best - and the fact CCM tries to micromanage the whole group through threats and the like is obviously making things 10 times worse for both original and new members.
If Hwayoung really does want to leave, by all means, I think it's the best for her to do so. If I was in her shoes, I would have left T-ara a very long time ago. Management has definitely played a signficant role into this mess happening by a wide margin.
In a dark way, T-ara's just proven that they've indeed defied management and its idiocy (preferably, they could have done it with actual intent and with a lawsuit as I never thought they'd pull something like this even once) when it comes down to adding new members over highly questionable reasons. Judging from what's seen so far, T-ara seems pretty hellbent in going back as a 6-member formation - at the least, things seemed more 'fair' for them back then.
To be honest I'm not really blaming anyone more than the other right now simply because I think there was a point when all parties involved could've stepped back, reviewed what was going on, and sooner or later deduced that they needed to be proactive and either a.) stop the craziness before it spiralled out of control or b.) once it did indeed get to this point they should have had the foresight to know that they needed to step up and set things right. Whether that be apologizing for any perceived transgressions or just clearing the air and letting everyone know it was a big misunderstanding, I just felt like it was handled messily on their part.
Of course, I've read a lot of REALLY great deductions on some fan's part (mad props to you, Mongrolian) that explain just where they may be coming from and what may be the causative factor for them to do what they did. Still, I can't help but feel disappointment in the whole matter. I'm not really sure who I'm disappointed with at this point, either...I don't know if it's the members themselves, or KKS for basically putting them in a situation where they may have already been combustible to begin with, or the netizens for taking the whole matter to entirely new levels of insanity. I'm partially mad with myself as I was hoping to keep a fair distance from threads related to the matter that were created by non-fans and antis, but I failed in that aspect. Still, sometimes it's a good way to get a better perspective from a casual onlooker's point of view, and right now, it ain't pretty. Still though, it's infuriating to read commentary from the peanut gallery...most of the people throwing in their cheap two cents have little to no background knowledge of T-ara as a group and are just there either because a.) everyone loves a good drama, or b.) they've never been fans of the group to begin with and they think it gives them credence to spew the nastiest, most hateful vitriol about the members that they can. They want to get all up in arms about cyber-bullying, yet they're even worse than the people they're lashing out at, and I just find it to be utterly hypocritical.
Ultimately I'm not indefinitely calling them immature, I just wished that all of this had been handled in a better manner. One thing that the last two days have proven to me is that sometimes the supposed strong friendships people like to boast of their bias groups in K-Pop are as manufactured as the concepts and music. I used to think that the girls in T-ara were all really close, and to see the cracks in their already fragile image showing (hell, not even cracks at this point, it's downright shattering) is just a wake-up call to me, and really, it should be a wake-up call to ANY K-Pop fan who thinks this could never happen to their group, because it can, and more than likely it's been closer to happening than people want to believe. It's just that they aren't incompetently managed, and their label knows how to nip a problem in the bud before it gets to this level of ridiculousness.
Ultimately I hope for the best possible resolution for all parties involved. If that means some members need to leave to be happy, so be it. If that means the girls take a break for a year, even better. God knows they need it. But I can't be excited for Sexy Love or anything else because as far as I'm concerned the rest of this year has been tainted for T-ara. And that's a damn crying shame, because I remember that in the beginning of the year most people were pegging it as their year to finally come into their own...and it probably would have been, had KKS just LEFT THEM THE HELL ALONE. Lovey-Dovey was a great way to start off the year for them, after their Japanese promotions ended they should've just taken a break and come back at the end of the year (if even that soon) and all would have been well...the sad thing is that I'm taking some sick pleasure in knowing that this has probably fecked up KKS's day majorly. The master troll has been trolled by his own damn creation, and I can't help but feel giddy about it. The student has surpassed the teacher. I just hate that it means T-ara as a group is destroying itself in the process.
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It's all goods, mate.
Everyone has their own moments of delusionalisms when it comes to their favorite groups (admittedly, I myself had gone through the same thing back when I was a huge fan of SNSD's Jessica from 09 to 10) and I know this may be a bit overdue, I apologize on my part for being a bit of a cynical asshat around here and AKP as well since it clearly bothered you, regardless if what I said was right or wrong (I myself questioned my analysis occasionally at times whether if it's accurate or not)
I did predict that something bad was bound to happen this year but honestly, even I'm really taken a shock (and it just had to occur in the London Olympics AND on a date haha) - I just didn't expect something like this to happen so soon yet alone imagine the impact would be this massive. But honestly, some people are being a bit unreasonably harsh in particular to Boram and as a 'fan' (honestly, I'm actually not even sure what to call myself anymore with this chaos going on and yet I'm somewhat defending her along with Soyeon), all I can really do is explain it at rationally as much as possible.
I fully agree with you on their near future though - for now, it's best that they be put on a long hiatus to recuperate - both mentally and physically. Priority-wise, they really do need a serious break from promotions because they look horribly exhausted on stage these days as well - call me an ass for this, but this scandal could serve as a gateway towards that - and a long good vacation of R&R was what the fandom as a whole had desired for prior to the member addition announcements. At this rate, the group's potentially headed down a road even worse than what DBSK, Hangeng and KARA had gone through so it's best to put things at a huge halt.
Fate has quite a way of making such wishes come true :/
Regarding on the possibility of a member leaving....I seriously believe that everyone here should prepare for the worst - particularly those who are fans of Boram and Hwa Young. Whoever the ex-industry worker is, he's got a point - there's just no way Eunjung, Hyomin or Jiyeon would face getting the boot (personally I believe they're the real culprits in regards to Hwayoung) and Soyeon's position isn't easily replaceable either. Honestly, I think it's best if T-ara was simply left as it was - that is, the 6-ara days. It just seemed the most stable at that time period despite being not as popular at the time.
I'd imagine that CCM's upper chief - the chaebol known as CJ Group has also thrown quite a fit about this and the possibility of them intervening behind-the-scenes can't be ruled out either. CCM clearly has lot a huge lot of credibility and made things even worse than it is for sure.
Honestly, I'm not really thrilled with anybody right now, save for Qri and Areum, who wisely decided to sit this one out. Eunjung, Jiyeon and Hyomin should've known better than to make comments that could've been taken out of context on a social networking site like Twitter, Boram and Soyeon should've taken the mature route and not said anything at all (especially since they went ahead and deleted their tweets anyways), and Hwayoung shouldn't have added fuel to the fire by calling for a bid for public sympathy. None of them are impressing me right now, their behavior is reminiscent of twelve-year-old girls, so maybe Dani's inclusion shouldn't be such a shock anymore since their mentality is probably closer to her than we thought. And before anybody says anything, I still love them and will continue supporting them, but this whole ordeal is just ridiculous.
Anyways, back on topic...I agree that maybe this is all a blessing in disguise. As I sat last night thinking about everything, the one thing that kept crossing my mind is how when idols get involved in scandals too big to be swept under the rug, they are usually put on an extended hiatus to let things cool down. If ever there was a time that such an action was appropriate, it's now. Day By Day showed us that T-ara has enough power to their name that they can withstand some controversy, what with the member changes and everything, but for KKS to keep them on track for two or more comebacks for this year alone isn't going to help matters. Sexy Love/Mirage and T-ara's Effect need to be put on the backburner until next year, and these 8 (maybe soon to be 9, who knows at this point) need to sit down, have a pow-wow, sing a couple of bars of Kumbaya, and GROW UP. All of them.
As far as a member leaving goes, I've heard some interesting theories about Hwayoung...that she's actually been rumored to want to leave for some time, and that the member's tweets are actually in reply to her deciding that she's going to leave, and them questioning her level of dedication to the group. If that IS the case, I can somehow understand their frustration with her, but even then all of this Twitter mess is just driving me crazy. It's not that they had problems with each other, that's understandable, it's that all of their dirty laundry is being aired out in public, and they're the ones who seem to be responsible.
Sorry, I'm just venting right now. I guess it's all of my frustrations over the past few months finally coming out all at once. I still love T-ara and hope for the best for them and will continue to support them, but I seriously hope they get put on an extended break, both for their sake and for the fan's sake. It's just not fair to keep f*cking with the fandom like this.
EDIT: I was so busy ranting that I forgot to say apology accepted lol. But yeah, we're good, if there's anything good that's come out of this mess it's that I've realized that it's time for me to wake up. T-ara had a good run but they're just as fallible and prone to error as anyone else; time to be realistic about their current situation. You're absolutely right about one thing; Queen's need to brace themselves, the proverbial sh!t is about to hit the fan.
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Honestly, I think Boram's getting more flame than what she deserves as a whole.
It is definitely likely that relations between 6-ara in general and Hwayoung weren't exactly all that great. Add in that Boram also continued to struggle on with the schedules despite having some serious health issues so it is likely she may have.
Also furthermore, Boram's personality isn't exactly what I'd I call anywhere near capable of bullying even a fly unless someone pressured or coerced her to do so (this could be Jiyeon, Hyomin, Eunjung or Soyeon to a lesser degree). With such a small stature, poor health and probably weak physical strength - not to mention she's just as unpromoted and with a similarly lower income in the group, it's pretty silly to think Boram would ever think that she could easily bully Hwayoung out of her own will.
She is a 6-ara member herself after all so that can also be taken as a factor why she'd be pressured to keep distant from Hwayoung.
Boram's also the oldest of the group so some age gap definitely plays as well (which probably also explains why Boram is more closer with Qri and Soyeon than the others).
You know, I have to say...I know we've had our differences in opinion but I just wanted to apologize, you were absolutely right about everything. I'm not even going to lie, I am delusional when it comes to T-ara, I was truly hoping for the best possible outcome to happen, but I guess I was too naive. When you've followed a group for three years I guess you just always want to believe everything's going to be okay, even when all signs point to it being just the opposite. I just wanted to say that, I don't like being an ass and I'll always admit when I'm in the wrong.
To be honest, I've had to take a major step back and examine this whole situation, right now I'm not sure what's going on or who to believe or who's truly the victim and who's in the wrong...makes me realize that I'm just going to kind of stop speculating so much until tomorrow, after we hear this announcement. An ex-industry insider says that a member will probably be leaving, and it's supposedly not Eunjung...who knows anymore. This whole thing has gotten far messier than it ever had to be. The girls need to be put on haitus, no more comebacks for a while, nothing, not until this whole mess is settled. Taking a member out of the group is only a band-aid for a bullet wound at this point...more problems will continue to surface, this is not going to go away no matter how hard they're worked or how many comebacks they make.
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Well Qri has nothing to say even when things go well and Areum is not T-ara enough to eve have a point here.
Does it matter? The fact is that they stayed quiet. I'm sure Qri has something of an opinion about the situation (because I highly doubt this all started on Twitter), but the fact that she decided to keep it to herself and not air it out on a public forum, even if she normally doesn't have an opinion on anything, is still better than the alternative, which is that she could've joined in.
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I also read that Boram never followed hwayoung to begin with... Omg we need to stop making assumption and wait for the announcement that is slowly killin us >.< but then the announcement from KKS will not necessary unveil the truth on what is happening now...
You're right, Boram never did follow Hwayoung to begin with. Most people just automatically assumed that she followed her because they were members of the same group, lol.
Honestly, this situation has become nothing short of frustrating to watch unfold. The ambiguity of it all is what's driving me crazy.
To begin with, I don't know what to make of the five who originally started the Twit convo in the first place. When it was just the five of them it seemed like a relatively innocent conversation, nothing horrible or out of the ordinary...they just sounded like they were trying to give someone a pep talk. Then Hwayoung and Hyoyoung chimed in, then Hwayoung's rap teacher, and that's where it all went to hell in a handbasket. If the five of them were guilty of bullying (and reading their messages I still have a hard time seeing it) they need to face the music and stop acting like children. I understand they're all tired and on edge, but now is NOT the time to be sniping at each other, regardless of the circumstances.
And this might get me flamed but I don't care, Hwayoung should've known better than to stir the pot by continuing to tweet those additional messages in a bid to gain public sympathy. She's only made this one hundred times worse than it already is, so I hold her just as accountable as I do the members who allegedly bullied her. They're all acting ridiculously immature, which is sad considering the majority of them are in their twenties and should be acting like adults. At any rate, ALL of them are old enough to know better.
If they have problems or issues, that's fine. They obviously need some help sorting everything out. But to go about handling their issues like this is downright stupid, I'm quite disappointed in everyone who took part. Good on Areum and Qri for being adults and staying out of what is obviously a VERY messy situation.
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Confirmed: There will be serious decision announced in a press conference by KKS about Hwayoung being bullied. KKS is "very concerned."
That's what the announcement will be pertaining to. Just pray that it doesn't spell expulsion for anyone.
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Nice to see everyone getting some love with special stages! Gotta say that my favorite was Soyeon's...loved that she decided to go with Cutie Honey to perform to, and she was a lot of fun to watch. Dani's Japanese isn't half-bad, either...and she doesn't sound like such a chipmunk when she's speaking (or rapping) in English. Maybe there's hope for her yet, lol.
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so... if Hwayoung haven't perform, who have done her parts in Day By Day, TTL, Lovey Dovey....
Areum?
I know there were fan accounts that claimed Areum took over her parts in Roly-Poly and TTL, but not sure about Lovey-Dovey or Day By Day...I feel so bad that she wasn't able to be there though, that's such a huge thing that she missed. I'm glad that they didn't make her perform though, if she's injured she obviously needs to sit it out and get better!
And why in the world are Gangkiz debuting in Japan this year? They haven't even been able to establish themselves in Korea yet. Lord...
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I wouldn't mind a subunit, but Jiyeon, Hyomin, and Eunjung don't really need the exposure. I'd much rather see Qri, Boram, Soyeon and Hwayoung in one instead. It'd be quite perfect if you think about it...Qri and Boram could sing the less demanding lines during the verses while Soyeon handled the ad-libs and chorus. Hwayoung could do the raps. No Areum simply because she's still new and kind of riding high on the public interest from having just been added to the group.
For those in this thread saying it wouldn't work because these members are less popular, that's kind of fuzzy logic. A lot of sub-units are formed to increase certain member's visibility and popularity, especially in larger groups (Orange Caramel was done with this specific purpose; it was comprised of the latest additions to After School, not the most popular members). Plus it could be argued that Soyeon and Hwayoung have gained enough interest over the last few comebacks that they could probably bring some attention to the sub-unit. But trying to put already popular members in a sub-unit is asinine in my opinion, it would only be adding on to their already demanding schedules. Plus as many of you have mentioned CCM is a business, but I'm going to go a different route with it by suggesting that in order to fully maximize T-ara's selling potential as a group ALL of the members need to be featured in a prominent fashion, and by doing a sub-unit with some of the less popular members it would at least make them more known to the public, even if it wasn't a huge success. Orange Caramel sells peanuts when it comes to their physical sales, as do most other non Big Three groups nowadays; but they're still considered successful thanks to slightly above-average digital sales and diligent marketing on Pledis's part. I see no reason why with the right concept and the right song (some of the things CCM usually gets right) a BoSoHwaRi sub-unit couldn't achieve some level of success. Of course, this is not what I really want CCM to focus on right now, especially with the girls scheduled for so many comebacks this year as it is. A break is priority one still, although I don't see that happening any time soon.
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They sold 8,163 physical units on Hanteo for this week...that's actually pretty good, and usually with T-ara that translates to about 20,000 units more sold on Gaon, so it doesn't look like their sales have taken too much of a hit. They generally sell anywhere from three to five times more on Gaon than they do on Hanteo. They're not on the top six albums on the real-time chart currently, so it's unknown exactly where they're at for now.
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In that case.. they really need to drop by the USA, and give us that concert they promised!!
I'm still peeved that that concert got cancelled! I so wanted to see T-ara perform and was going to try to get tickets for it. I think it should just be them though, out of all the acts that were featured T-ara is the most well known and it would probably have served KKS and CCM better just to put together a concert of the girls performing their material. I have nothing against Davichi and Yangpa by the way, I'm just not a terribly huge fan of either of their work.
I'm just glad that Hyomin and Jiyeon gave their support to Dani when she was on stage. (I am seriously very proud of Jiyeon. She looked like an unnie already). Seeing the original members helping Dani makes me think that if the members themselves are willing to accept the new members why can't the fans do the same. Yes, they might be acting and we wouldn't know what's going on behind the scenes but somehow the feeling I get from T-ara is "Okay, we're not too fond of the additions but Hey, there's nothing we can do about it so why don't we just accept the changes and work our a** harder". It might take a long time to get used to the new dynamics for both T-ara and also the fans but I have little doubt that as time passes, all of us will get used to it.
I am still not too happy about the addition but there's nothing I can do. It's impossible for me to change anything no matter how much I hate it so I'm just going to accept that T-ara are going to be nine and enjoy the new T-ara. Looking at Day by Day alone, I am glad that T-ara are still doing their thing and are not too bothered in changing their style or image to suit the new members.
*I can't bring myself to hate Dani too after looking at her on stage. Well, at least there's someone who understands English and can help me in translating if I am to meet T-ara.
I bet she's going to rap in ENGLISH !!!I agree. I don't really like all of these new changes and think there were other things KKS should have focused on instead of trying to shoehorn members into the group, but what's done is done and if it really upsets people badly enough then obviously the best course of action would be to not follow the girls anymore. But I've chosen to keep supporting them and will continue to even after Dani debuts, simply because I love 7-ara and am warming up to Areum. I'll also admit that right now my support for Dani comes more from pity than anything else, since she looks so clueless and scared. This is a lot for anybody to take in, I can only imagine some of the stuff she's probably going to have to endure after her debut. I was really critical of her when I found out her age and the fact that she never had aspirations to enter the entertainment industry, but she's ultimately just a kid, and who knows? Maybe she'll surprise us all.
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I think you're taking it a bit too optimistically to think the girls have accepted her already. When it comes to Kpop, image perfection is a critical thing that agencies go through extensively to establish and this is just one of the many countless cases.
They've been practically threatened to accept the whole decision unless they want to get kicked out so it's not like T-ara had a choice to begin with, unlike the fans and the public (although they probably still resent it a lot in the inside)
Behind-the-scenes, it's entirely up to speculation for the most part. There's a reason why they're not dorming together, aside from spending what little spare time they have with their family.
And I think you're a bit too pessimistic to give a fair viewpoint on the situation. Long story short, some of the girls are by no means thrilled with the additions (we've already heard Eunjung give about as honest an answer as we'll ever get regarding her take on Dani and Areum's inclusion in Star Life Theater) but that doesn't mean all the girls hate them either. All anybody has to go on is what we see, and it looked like some of the members were trying to help Dani out while she was on stage and were trying to be supportive of her. She obviously doesn't know much Korean, they could've been rude and just let her sweat it out but Hyomin did her best to translate and Jiyeon tried to be supportive as well.
After seeing Dani in this I can't hate on her. Maybe it's because I'm an adult and just can't find it in me to hate on a twelve year-old girl. She's going through that awkward, gangly phase of puberty and she looked nervous and scared. No, I still don't think she should be debuting any time soon, but it is what it is and I wish her the best, simply because she's going to need it.
I think adding a English speaker means that they maybe got plans to enter US market??? I hope so.
I don't think they plan on entering the U.S. market, but I do think they'll probably utilize her as a spokesperson for English-speaking markets and will probably try to do more activities overseas. It's becoming more and more obvious that KKS is trying to branch out beyond Korea with T-ara. I see them probably doing concerts and tours in other territories if their international popularity continues to grow.
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Basically, the article is a biography of T-ara. Kpop in Venezuela is still not as popular but in the last 2 years is gaining momentum.
Yeah, pretty much this. If your Spanish reading comprehension is even passable at best like mine you should be able to figure out pretty quickly that it pretty much reads like a Cliff's Notes guide to T-ara, lol.
It's a nice intro to T-ara, though, and it's nice to see them making their way over to South America...they've really been gaining a lot of attention with these last few comebacks. It's amazing to see them branching out and getting recognition in the far corners of the world!
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^THIS.
I completely agree. I've always supported Hwayoung when she joined T-ara because I knew she had potential to be the best rapper in the group. I don't know if she's there yet, but she's getting pretty close. I really wish CCM would allow her to get out more, especially since she has gained so much more experience and confidence now!
In my opinion she's become the best female rapper of the group, and for good reason...her intonation is perfect for rapping, and she writes a lot of her own raps (and some of her labelmate's raps as well). She's passionate about it, and I think she deserved every rap she got on Day By Day.
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I see these girls probably doing the stage...
From T-ara: Jiyeon, Areum or Hyomin
From Sistar: Hyorin
From f(x): Sulli or Krystal
From After School: Nana, Uee or Raina
It should be fun!
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Best performance of the song yet! Everyone sang live and sounded great, except for Soyeon (who's still sick).
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As the group's token gangster rapper, I believe she can do it.
Haha I know I'll probably be scalped for saying this but I've always thought that Hwa's huskier, deeper voice was more appropriate for rapping than Eunjung's or Hyomin's. I think she could sound right at home on a hip hop track, she's got swag.
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I love how Eunjung kind of echoed the sentiment that a lot of the fans had when the new member changes were announced...and I'm glad that even if she couldn't be totally honest about how she truly felt regarding the additions, she at least was able to say "No, it really wasn't okay with me to begin with." I'm warming up to Areum still and I'm still on the fence about Dani, so I can only imagine how they must feel about all of the craziness.
But the one thing I was happy to read was the fact that Eunjung has no plans to leave T-ara any time soon! I remember when all of those crazy rumors about Eunjung possibly leaving the group started popping up last weekend due to her wearing black during their Inki performance and I was actually wondering if it was a possibility, but at least we know she's sticking with T-ara, for the time being anyways.
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One thing I've loved about this comeback so far is that a lot of the less known members seem to be getting their time to shine, including Boram. I've noticed that she's been getting a lot of love and attention from casual fans who didn't give her a second glance before, and that's definitely a good sign. Plus Boram seems to be so much more open and talkative with this comeback than in past comebacks. I've been watching Star Life Theatre and it's amazing to see her being so candid, I never knew she could be such a conversationalist. She's starting to show people her personality, and I'm loving how much attention she's getting for it. It's still a long way from where it needs to be, but I'm glad that CCM is making efforts to put all the members in the spotlight, even if it's still not equal. They need to start doing this now so that come October they can have a game plan for when the group becomes nine strong. But maybe, just maybe, they're getting there.
[12.07.28] Core Contents Media's CEO to make a very big announcement regarding T-ara on the 30th
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Okay, here we go...
On the 25th five of the girls made a series of tweets on Twitter after their performance at the Budokan. At first nobody paid any attention to them as the messages seemed to be fairly innocuous in tone and even seemed to be very encouraging. The messages were all basically going on about determination, selflessness, manners, and working hard.
Then Hwayoung tweeted a message saying that sometimes determination simply wasn't enough, and that there's a reason for everything that happens; that's when things started getting messy. Hyoyoung (Hwayoung's twin sister) jumped in, saying that she hurt for her sister and that Hwayoung should still be treated like a person, even if she was physically hurt. She went on to make another tweet about how being pretty on the outside has no value if you're not pretty on the inside as well. Then Tarae (Hwayoung's rapping coach) joined in, calling some unknown people "bitches" and remarking that they needed to remember that, at one point, they were nobodies as well. Both Hyoyoung's and Tarae's tweets are thought to be directed at one or more members of T-ara; Tarae went on to rescind his original tweets, claiming they were actually aimed at Nicki Minaj and Beyonce, oddly enough.
It's about at this point that netizens caught wind of the situation and the whole thing spread like wildfire online, with many speculating that the original tweets were T-ara's way of "bullying" Hwayoung and questioning her dedication to the group as she was unable to perform at the Budokan due to her injury. Soon people were putting together elaborate conspiracy theories that speculate that Hwayoung has ALWAYS been bullied by the other T-ara members, even going so far as to compile collections of gifs and pictures that show that Hwayoung has been neglected this whole time; some of these examples are really, REALLY reaching (they've also simultaneously chosen to ignore the pics and videos that show Hwayoung getting along fantastically with the members, but that's another story for another time). Furthermore, CCM has made the mess even worse by stating that the tweets were, in fact, insults, but they claimed that surely the girls wouldn't have made such hateful comments, so what do they do? They claim that five of the girl's Twitter accounts were simultaneously hacked. Highly unlikely.
So, since this situation has only become a million times worse, it's now been announced that KKS will make an official announcement regarding his stance on the issue on July 30th, 2012 at 1:00 P.M., Korean standard time (roughly 8 and a half hours from now). People are speculating that members will probably be kicked out, and at the very worst the group may be disbanded. It's gotten bad enough that people are calling for Hyomin, Eunjung, and Jiyeon's heads (especially the latter), and to a lesser extent, Soyeon and Boram's, who ultimately ended up deleting their tweets, and now there's a petition on Daum requesting that the group officially disband. Anti-fans and casual onlookers are just having the time of their lives watching all of this happen, and none of the comments are very pleasant to read at this point, so it's probably best to stay away from general K-Pop forums like AKP or H8 for the time being.
So now all we can do is wait to see what happens. In any case most people have thrown their support behind Hwayoung, while openly bashing the other girls without proper knowledge of what's truly happened. The whole ordeal just keeps getting messier and messier, and nobody is stepping up to clarify anything or take a stance. I've actually heard that now people are wondering if Hwayoung is as innocent as she's making herself out to be, so even she's starting to get a bit of negative attention for the role she's playing. Right now it's basically a jumble of rumors, theories, speculation, ambiguous, vague Tweets, hurt feelings, and people throwing the word "bully" around a bit too liberally. No doubt that there are problems in T-ara but I doubt that it's a case of bullying. It's a sad situation, to say the least.