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LOL she didn't really get this offer.
CCM always makes up stories that their artists get offered amazing things that they need to turn down, like Gangkiz turning down that lingerie thing.
Honestly, if Gangkiz really did get a top lingerie/whatever CF offer, they would take it in a second.

This announce must be a joke, seriously a 13 years old girl for cosmetics ?? Moreover, she refuse 200 Million Won ?? Do you know someone who'll refuse such a huge amount of money at such a young age ? That's a total nonsense.
This kind of news reminds me of the same with GangKiz refusing a huge contract for an advertizing for lingerie before their début.
It's just to try to convince us that these girls worth gold, it's nothing but a bluff, as usual with CCM.
I really don't like their way of communicating.

Correction, Seohyun debuted at the age of 16. 2NE1 may be an exception but in the case of SNSD, do note that the age gap between the members isn't very wide itself - 6 of the members alone are all 89'ers, Seohyun only 2 years below while Soo Young and Yoona are 90'ers.
If KKS's claims that the new members are 'talented' is correct, this can be seen as a jab towards the current older members to leave on their own will - kicking them out for whatever reason will bring even more negative publicity regardless of the reason. Plus, we don't even know how the current members would react to this behind-the-scenes - considering they worked tooth-and-nail for 3 years to get to where they are now, it's doubtful they'd be easy on some newbie who's practically going to ride their popularity.
Why fix something that's not broken? The only person who needs to be fixed is KKS himself along with whoever in CCM's management agrees with him.
After School actually was actually fairly popular in its earlier days but all things considered, with the whole graduation concept and the influx of new members, they pretty much sank and Pledis Ent. doesn't look like it's doing much of a good job either (debuting multiple groups at a short period of time - arguably can be seen that AS hasn't brought them enough revenue to stay afloat in the long run).
I wouldn't even go as far to compare 2NE1 and T-ara as they're entirely different groups in concept, member line-up etc. You might as well be comparing apples and oranges. Both are fruits, but wholly different in color, taste, shape etc.

*Sigh*
This is just wrong. No, it's more than just wrong. It's flat-out idiocy. What is this? After School?
At this rate, the current oldest members are going to be pressured to leave on their own will.
I guess it's bye-bye to Boram, Qri and even So Yeon in December or later.

Correction, Seohyun debuted at the age of 16. 2NE1 may be an exception but in the case of SNSD, do note that the age gap between the members isn't very wide itself - 6 of the members alone are all 89'ers, Seohyun only 2 years below while Soo Young and Yoona are 90'ers.
If KKS's claims that the new members are 'talented' is correct, this can be seen as a jab towards the current older members to leave on their own will - kicking them out for whatever reason will bring even more negative publicity regardless of the reason. Plus, we don't even know how the current members would react to this behind-the-scenes - considering they worked tooth-and-nail for 3 years to get to where they are now, it's doubtful they'd be easy on some newbie who's practically going to ride their popularity.
Why fix something that's not broken? The only person who needs to be fixed is KKS himself along with whoever in CCM's management agrees with him.
After School actually was actually fairly popular in its earlier days but all things considered, with the whole graduation concept and the influx of new members, they pretty much sank and Pledis Ent. doesn't look like it's doing much of a good job either (debuting multiple groups at a short period of time - arguably can be seen that AS hasn't brought them enough revenue to stay afloat in the long run).
I wouldn't even go as far to compare 2NE1 and T-ara as they're entirely different groups in concept, member line-up etc. You might as well be comparing apples and oranges. Both are fruits, but wholly different in color, taste, shape etc.

Correction, Seohyun debuted at the age of 16. 2NE1 may be an exception but in the case of SNSD, do note that the age gap between the members isn't very wide itself - 6 of the members alone are all 89'ers, Seohyun only 2 years below while Soo Young and Yoona are 90'ers.
If KKS's claims that the new members are 'talented' is correct, this can be seen as a jab towards the current older members to leave on their own will - kicking them out for whatever reason will bring even more negative publicity regardless of the reason. Plus, we don't even know how the current members would react to this behind-the-scenes - considering they worked tooth-and-nail for 3 years to get to where they are now, it's doubtful they'd be easy on some newbie who's practically going to ride their popularity.
Why fix something that's not broken? The only person who needs to be fixed is KKS himself along with whoever in CCM's management agrees with him.
After School actually was actually fairly popular in its earlier days but all things considered, with the whole graduation concept and the influx of new members, they pretty much sank and Pledis Ent. doesn't look like it's doing much of a good job either (debuting multiple groups at a short period of time - arguably can be seen that AS hasn't brought them enough revenue to stay afloat in the long run).
I wouldn't even go as far to compare 2NE1 and T-ara as they're entirely different groups in concept, member line-up etc. You might as well be comparing apples and oranges. Both are fruits, but wholly different in color, taste, shape etc.

*Sigh*
This is just wrong. No, it's more than just wrong. It's flat-out idiocy. What is this? After School?
At this rate, the current oldest members are going to be pressured to leave on their own will.
I guess it's bye-bye to Boram, Qri and even So Yeon in December or later.

Correction, Seohyun debuted at the age of 16. 2NE1 may be an exception but in the case of SNSD, do note that the age gap between the members isn't very wide itself - 6 of the members alone are all 89'ers, Seohyun only 2 years below while Soo Young and Yoona are 90'ers.
If KKS's claims that the new members are 'talented' is correct, this can be seen as a jab towards the current older members to leave on their own will - kicking them out for whatever reason will bring even more negative publicity regardless of the reason. Plus, we don't even know how the current members would react to this behind-the-scenes - considering they worked tooth-and-nail for 3 years to get to where they are now, it's doubtful they'd be easy on some newbie who's practically going to ride their popularity.
Why fix something that's not broken? The only person who needs to be fixed is KKS himself along with whoever in CCM's management agrees with him.
After School actually was actually fairly popular in its earlier days but all things considered, with the whole graduation concept and the influx of new members, they pretty much sank and Pledis Ent. doesn't look like it's doing much of a good job either (debuting multiple groups at a short period of time - arguably can be seen that AS hasn't brought them enough revenue to stay afloat in the long run).
I wouldn't even go as far to compare 2NE1 and T-ara as they're entirely different groups in concept, member line-up etc. You might as well be comparing apples and oranges. Both are fruits, but wholly different in color, taste, shape etc.

*Sigh*
This is just wrong. No, it's more than just wrong. It's flat-out idiocy. What is this? After School?
At this rate, the current oldest members are going to be pressured to leave on their own will.
I guess it's bye-bye to Boram, Qri and even So Yeon in December or later.

*Sigh*
This is just wrong. No, it's more than just wrong. It's flat-out idiocy. What is this? After School?
At this rate, the current oldest members are going to be pressured to leave on their own will.
I guess it's bye-bye to Boram, Qri and even So Yeon in December or later.

Haha, thanks for the understanding there and I hope it clears out any misunderstandings it may have led to.
Due to following around Kpop since tweenhood, it's quite easy to see how much Kpop as an industry has changed and all over the past half-decade or so. Plus the majority of Kpop fans (both Korean and international) are in their teens - where arguably (at the least), level-headed behavior isn't exactly the norm in Kpop while ignorance prevails. Regarding AKF, I had the same initial thoughts as you as well though it's pretty undeniable that there are articles that do point out some degree of truth and big points regarding the behavior of fandoms as well as Kpop in general. The anon option was probably the most biggest drawback regarding the comments there, that I am inclined to agree.
Regarding the fandom splitting, I also agree. Prior to the news of the member lineup changes, yes, Diadem was quite happy for the most part and as you have said, together for one cause - that is, getting T-ara an actual break (that half-assed one they got doesn't count, personally). For me, being a real fan means that they're treated humanely (at least by Kpop standards, since T-ara's notoriously one of the most overworked groups out there), enjoy their work, stay healthy and not have to worry about a crooked boss whose decisions towards them are highly questionable and even moronic. T-ara's music had always been a hit-or-miss for my taste and for physical appearances, none of them go higher than 'above-average' in my opinion lol.
The reasons to Dani's (inexcusable) addition to the group are still debatable, admittedly. Like you said, if it's likely to lower the average age of the group much like the previously failed attempt with Hwa Young (considering 5 members are in their early to mid 20s), it also reinforces the speculation/possibility that Boram, Qri and So Yeon will be given the short end of the stick. Not to mention KKS himself is a blacklist-happy man (KARA comes into mind while also slandering Nam Gyuri) who also threatened to kick out any of the current members if they did anything that goes against the member addition.

Correction, Seohyun debuted at the age of 16. 2NE1 may be an exception but in the case of SNSD, do note that the age gap between the members isn't very wide itself - 6 of the members alone are all 89'ers, Seohyun only 2 years below while Soo Young and Yoona are 90'ers.
If KKS's claims that the new members are 'talented' is correct, this can be seen as a jab towards the current older members to leave on their own will - kicking them out for whatever reason will bring even more negative publicity regardless of the reason. Plus, we don't even know how the current members would react to this behind-the-scenes - considering they worked tooth-and-nail for 3 years to get to where they are now, it's doubtful they'd be easy on some newbie who's practically going to ride their popularity.
Why fix something that's not broken? The only person who needs to be fixed is KKS himself along with whoever in CCM's management agrees with him.
After School actually was actually fairly popular in its earlier days but all things considered, with the whole graduation concept and the influx of new members, they pretty much sank and Pledis Ent. doesn't look like it's doing much of a good job either (debuting multiple groups at a short period of time - arguably can be seen that AS hasn't brought them enough revenue to stay afloat in the long run).
I wouldn't even go as far to compare 2NE1 and T-ara as they're entirely different groups in concept, member line-up etc. You might as well be comparing apples and oranges. Both are fruits, but wholly different in color, taste, shape etc.

Correction, Seohyun debuted at the age of 16. 2NE1 may be an exception but in the case of SNSD, do note that the age gap between the members isn't very wide itself - 6 of the members alone are all 89'ers, Seohyun only 2 years below while Soo Young and Yoona are 90'ers.
If KKS's claims that the new members are 'talented' is correct, this can be seen as a jab towards the current older members to leave on their own will - kicking them out for whatever reason will bring even more negative publicity regardless of the reason. Plus, we don't even know how the current members would react to this behind-the-scenes - considering they worked tooth-and-nail for 3 years to get to where they are now, it's doubtful they'd be easy on some newbie who's practically going to ride their popularity.
Why fix something that's not broken? The only person who needs to be fixed is KKS himself along with whoever in CCM's management agrees with him.
After School actually was actually fairly popular in its earlier days but all things considered, with the whole graduation concept and the influx of new members, they pretty much sank and Pledis Ent. doesn't look like it's doing much of a good job either (debuting multiple groups at a short period of time - arguably can be seen that AS hasn't brought them enough revenue to stay afloat in the long run).
I wouldn't even go as far to compare 2NE1 and T-ara as they're entirely different groups in concept, member line-up etc. You might as well be comparing apples and oranges. Both are fruits, but wholly different in color, taste, shape etc.

Correction, Seohyun debuted at the age of 16. 2NE1 may be an exception but in the case of SNSD, do note that the age gap between the members isn't very wide itself - 6 of the members alone are all 89'ers, Seohyun only 2 years below while Soo Young and Yoona are 90'ers.
If KKS's claims that the new members are 'talented' is correct, this can be seen as a jab towards the current older members to leave on their own will - kicking them out for whatever reason will bring even more negative publicity regardless of the reason. Plus, we don't even know how the current members would react to this behind-the-scenes - considering they worked tooth-and-nail for 3 years to get to where they are now, it's doubtful they'd be easy on some newbie who's practically going to ride their popularity.
Why fix something that's not broken? The only person who needs to be fixed is KKS himself along with whoever in CCM's management agrees with him.
After School actually was actually fairly popular in its earlier days but all things considered, with the whole graduation concept and the influx of new members, they pretty much sank and Pledis Ent. doesn't look like it's doing much of a good job either (debuting multiple groups at a short period of time - arguably can be seen that AS hasn't brought them enough revenue to stay afloat in the long run).
I wouldn't even go as far to compare 2NE1 and T-ara as they're entirely different groups in concept, member line-up etc. You might as well be comparing apples and oranges. Both are fruits, but wholly different in color, taste, shape etc.

T-ara started out as 6 members originally, not 7.

As much as I support the petition, ultimately, it's the Korean fans who can really bring in the big guns - after all, T-ara's main source of popularity is in Korea.
Now, if a major riot breaks out with CCM's headquarters torn, looted and vandalized, I'll be happy dancing around in joy.
It's possible that T-ara may even file a lawsuit at some point this year, just like KARA and DBSK did years back - and definitely, DSP and even SM (one of the Big 3) suffered a massive drop in image and reputation in the public's eyes. Hell, SM - with all its money, influence, connections and the well-known Lee Soo Man lost since the court took DBSK's side.
Right now, it's either the Korean fans of T-ara or T-ara itself that can truly put a stop to that madman.

All things considered, if Dani didn't want the hate coming in for her, she could have goddamn refused to be put into T-ara. Why did she even comply? Personal greed got the better of her? Going by her age, she's only a year older than my younger brother.
I suspect her age as well as the other member is even a possible ploy in pressuring Boram and Qri out of the group in an effort to lower the age average - something KKS intended with Hwa Young's addition back in 2010 (which obviously wasn't so successful back then).
If KKS's claims that the new members' vocals are off the charts are correct, then this could also potentially pressure So Yeon to leave as well, not to mention So Yeon's only a year younger than the two oldest members - and for any So Yeon fan out there, we all know she was the one who actually went up against KKS on TV a couple months back during the Lovey Dovey promotions. This might as well be his way of punishing her to the fullest, unrightfully so.
Also, I think we can even say that Ji Yeon's 'matured' in terms of image - this could mean Ji Yeon's outlived her days as being the youngest of the group in KKS's mind, unfortunately. Ji Yeon's also got the largest amount of fans out of all T-ara members and her popularity rivals that of Eun Jung easily - knock her out of her place as maknae of the group, and her fans would probably make a huge fit - as far as I've heard, Ji Yeon also has the largest number of stans of all of T-ara.
I cannot even begin to imagine what Boram, Qri and So Yeon's personal reactions would be regarding the new member additions as well as the recent news update of it. At this rate, T-ara will end up becoming like After School.
Suffice to say, KKS and CCM in general are deplorable. They should just stick with making duets and solo singers. Idols? Never. Just look how they effed up with 5dolls and Co-Ed. They were miraculously lucky with T-ara and for me, that luck looks like it'll run out sooner or later. The question is how much longer will the current members (especially the original 6) will tolerate KKS's abusive bullsh!t before the bomb explodes, as it had been ticking since March.
SuJu's Hangeng ended up with a kidney disease and gastritis as a result of SM not giving him a single day of rest for two years straight - just imagine what T-ara could have, considering they worked without a day of rest for THREE years.

T-ara started out as 6 members originally, not 7.

I don't think having an English speaker in the groups is at all that necessary - there's already some groups out there whose English is simply laughable but are hugely popular throughout Asia more than T-ara - Super Junior and DBSK (at least before the breakup) come into mind, as well as 2NE1. SNSD only has 2 English speakers and their vocab is only at middle school level at best and it's not like their English isn't even widely used anyway to begin with.
Now, if T-ara were to pull off making it to the US, that should automatically make KKS officially unfit to be a CEO. Not only is trying out the States a very risky decision by all means (even BoA and Se7en during their prime didn't do well, followed by WG as you pointed) but they'd have to ALL be able to speak English at least decently - even SNSD with Jessica and Tiffany can't pull that one off, at least for long. Language barrier says all, not to mention they'd have to put a ridiculous amount of effort and time on the music and rely a hell lot less on autotuning (Roly Poly, Lovey Dovey, IGCOY, Round and Round, BPBP etc).

I don't think having an English speaker in the groups is at all that necessary - there's already some groups out there whose English is simply laughable but are hugely popular throughout Asia more than T-ara - Super Junior and DBSK (at least before the breakup) come into mind, as well as 2NE1. SNSD only has 2 English speakers and their vocab is only at middle school level at best and it's not like their English isn't even widely used anyway to begin with.
Now, if T-ara were to pull off making it to the US, that should automatically make KKS officially unfit to be a CEO. Not only is trying out the States a very risky decision by all means (even BoA and Se7en during their prime didn't do well, followed by WG as you pointed) but they'd have to ALL be able to speak English at least decently - even SNSD with Jessica and Tiffany can't pull that one off, at least for long. Language barrier says all, not to mention they'd have to put a ridiculous amount of effort and time on the music and rely a hell lot less on autotuning (Roly Poly, Lovey Dovey, IGCOY, Round and Round, BPBP etc).

Only in your head they are the original 7. You seem to be denying facts here.
To be frank, Hwa doesn't even contribute much to the group at all. Her 'rap' lines in Roly Poly are barely tolerable, she got nothing in Cry Cry and in Lovey Dovey, she got more lines at the cost of Eun Jung having little to nothing - and it's no argument that Eun Jung is one of T-ara's more better vocals.
Actually, come to think of it, I'd even argue that from Hwa Young's addition and forward, Boram and Qri got awfully little lines and they actually had more pre-Hwa Young addition period.
6-ara is where it's at.
T-ara didn't even debut at the time it was 5 members. From your logic, I should be saying SNSD should be called the original 11 and call So Yeon an original SNSD member, even though SNSD didn't even debut at the time.

Terribly sorry to burst your bubble but he said the member addition is taking place in July, when the 2nd album is released.
Optimistically, I hope he changes his mind but considering that his brain is floating somewhere in outer space, I wouldn't expect much from that ridiculous clown.
It's bad enough that he even threatened to kick out any of the current members if they don't support his decision (or rather, submit to it) - worse off, he said it front of the press, making himself even more of a nutted retard. This guy's blacklist-happy - during when the 3 KARA members filed a lawsuit against DSP back in 2010, KKS was the a$$hole who actually said that those 3 members needed to be blacklisted from the entertainment business permanently - and got a good amount of flak for it.
The man's a crackpot douchebag who needs his belly and balls stomped on with cleats just to knock some sense into him.
Hell, if the CIA frames him for anything, I'll be jumping in joy. If anything, what T-ara needs is a CEO change or even bigger, an agency change. Any other agency would be willing to take T-ara in behind-the-scenes if CCM f**ks T-ara up any further.
Sorry if I ramble on - my hatred for that son of a b!tch because of his lousy decisions remains strong.
I've worked under a person who was just like him (thinks he's all high'n'mighty, doesn't like to be defied one bit etc.) and suffice to say, it was a rather sh!tty experience.

All things considered, if Dani didn't want the hate coming in for her, she could have goddamn refused to be put into T-ara. Why did she even comply? Personal greed got the better of her? Going by her age, she's only a year older than my younger brother.
I suspect her age as well as the other member is even a possible ploy in pressuring Boram and Qri out of the group in an effort to lower the age average - something KKS intended with Hwa Young's addition back in 2010 (which obviously wasn't so successful back then).
If KKS's claims that the new members' vocals are off the charts are correct, then this could also potentially pressure So Yeon to leave as well, not to mention So Yeon's only a year younger than the two oldest members - and for any So Yeon fan out there, we all know she was the one who actually went up against KKS on TV a couple months back during the Lovey Dovey promotions. This might as well be his way of punishing her to the fullest, unrightfully so.
Also, I think we can even say that Ji Yeon's 'matured' in terms of image - this could mean Ji Yeon's outlived her days as being the youngest of the group in KKS's mind, unfortunately. Ji Yeon's also got the largest amount of fans out of all T-ara members and her popularity rivals that of Eun Jung easily - knock her out of her place as maknae of the group, and her fans would probably make a huge fit - as far as I've heard, Ji Yeon also has the largest number of stans of all of T-ara.
I cannot even begin to imagine what Boram, Qri and So Yeon's personal reactions would be regarding the new member additions as well as the recent news update of it. At this rate, T-ara will end up becoming like After School.
Suffice to say, KKS and CCM in general are deplorable. They should just stick with making duets and solo singers. Idols? Never. Just look how they effed up with 5dolls and Co-Ed. They were miraculously lucky with T-ara and for me, that luck looks like it'll run out sooner or later. The question is how much longer will the current members (especially the original 6) will tolerate KKS's abusive bullsh!t before the bomb explodes, as it had been ticking since March.
SuJu's Hangeng ended up with a kidney disease and gastritis as a result of SM not giving him a single day of rest for two years straight - just imagine what T-ara could have, considering they worked without a day of rest for THREE years.

All things considered, if Dani didn't want the hate coming in for her, she could have goddamn refused to be put into T-ara. Why did she even comply? Personal greed got the better of her? Going by her age, she's only a year older than my younger brother.
I suspect her age as well as the other member is even a possible ploy in pressuring Boram and Qri out of the group in an effort to lower the age average - something KKS intended with Hwa Young's addition back in 2010 (which obviously wasn't so successful back then).
If KKS's claims that the new members' vocals are off the charts are correct, then this could also potentially pressure So Yeon to leave as well, not to mention So Yeon's only a year younger than the two oldest members - and for any So Yeon fan out there, we all know she was the one who actually went up against KKS on TV a couple months back during the Lovey Dovey promotions. This might as well be his way of punishing her to the fullest, unrightfully so.
Also, I think we can even say that Ji Yeon's 'matured' in terms of image - this could mean Ji Yeon's outlived her days as being the youngest of the group in KKS's mind, unfortunately. Ji Yeon's also got the largest amount of fans out of all T-ara members and her popularity rivals that of Eun Jung easily - knock her out of her place as maknae of the group, and her fans would probably make a huge fit - as far as I've heard, Ji Yeon also has the largest number of stans of all of T-ara.
I cannot even begin to imagine what Boram, Qri and So Yeon's personal reactions would be regarding the new member additions as well as the recent news update of it. At this rate, T-ara will end up becoming like After School.
Suffice to say, KKS and CCM in general are deplorable. They should just stick with making duets and solo singers. Idols? Never. Just look how they effed up with 5dolls and Co-Ed. They were miraculously lucky with T-ara and for me, that luck looks like it'll run out sooner or later. The question is how much longer will the current members (especially the original 6) will tolerate KKS's abusive bullsh!t before the bomb explodes, as it had been ticking since March.
SuJu's Hangeng ended up with a kidney disease and gastritis as a result of SM not giving him a single day of rest for two years straight - just imagine what T-ara could have, considering they worked without a day of rest for THREE years.

See, I really hate this attitude of "people have to get over it". No, they don't have to. Everyone is entitled their own opinions, everyone needs their time to cope with the changes and I don't think people have a right to decide who is a true fan and who isn't. Just because someone is ok with this it doesn't mean the rest must be. I'm not going to hate on the new girls because it's not their fault and they're too young to be dealing with this, but that doesn't mean I'm ok with CCM's decision.
This is completely different from when they added BoSoRi and even Hwayoung. The first change was pre-debut and they had to do it because Jsquared left the group. It's normal for rookies to have lineup changes, they're rookies. The second change was made one year after T-ara's debut, when they weren't nearly as popular and established as they are now. It still was unnecessary because they already had two rappers and Hwa can't sing, but the group wasn't a top group like they are at the moment. But even now, there are people who still don't accept her in the group (I mean, if KKS really got rid of a member like he said he might, and that member was Hwayoung, I doubt the outrage would be the same as if they kicked out someone else). She still gets a LOT less screentime than the rest of the members. Roly Poly era was especially bad for her, and it was only recently that she was allowed to shine. But now, T-ara has reached a status in which they are considered one of the top girl groups in Korea, and they were even the second girlgroup behind SNSD in the 2011 Gallup poll. You don't see established groups having totally random lineup changes (Afterschool -who isn't nearly as popular as T-ara- does it but the graduation system is their concept, so it's not random), You won't see 2ne1, SNSD or Big Bang adding new members at this stage, because anyone with common sense can see that you don't change what is already working, especially when you are at the top. It's especially unfair for the current members because they went through A LOT to reach this status. It could be completely understandable if someone was leaving the group and they had to look for a replacement, but in T-ara's case no one is leaving so there's no reason for this lineup change. I think that's what makes people upset.
But anyway, even now, I really hope the new members are the omg amazing vocalists the CEO says they are for the sake of the group. They don't need another Hwayoung (in the sense that they don't need yet another member that will be underutilized and pushed back) and more importantly, I really hope this is not a case of "adding people because their English skills only". In any case, I hope the 14-year-old girl is not one of the members. I don't think someone that young has a place in T-ara, it will completely change the way the group is in order to accomodate the youngest member, not to mention that someone that young shouldn't deal with the schedules and level of stress T-ara gets. Besides, they won't be able to do mature or sexy concepts in the future, and lately most T-ara tracks have a mature element to them, not to mention how awkward the group dynamycs will get. Even Cry Cry and Lovey Dovey have guns and clubbing, Really, I hope this works out in the end because I love the current members and they've put way too much into this to achieve success, but I'm not too optimistic :/