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I think all of them were trained and were able to learn how to develop their leadership skills before their debut. I hope she gets more singing parts during the songs though. But I'm really looking forward to this new Era with Qri as the Group Leader.
Boram, Qri (as well as Soyeon) weren't signed onto CCM until about a few weeks, if not even days before T-ara officially debuted - they were pretty much quickly-sought replacements not long after Jiae and Jiwon left.
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^ +1 to that.
I notice that not all the songs are there as well (by the looks of it, only stuff that was promoted on stage). By the way OP, Lovey Dovey isn't a zombie concept (despite MV and promo shoots, it wasn't treated as such for its' promotional period) and what about the 'classy' concepts like the song 'I'm Hurt'? T-ara's had way more concepts than the 4 that were listed.
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I feel like it this was made for the certain intention of containing after seeing what occurred in the News threads since last week XD
With that said, I just don't see how 5-ara can even be considered the 'original' T-ara when they did not even officially debut (not to mention the song at the time - Good Person - was an OST, not a debut song to perform on stage). Even their Wikipedia page says their official debut started as 6-ara while 5-ara is labelled under pre-debut.
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This gives me an idea - how about their future stage costumes all be colored separately, with the favorite colors of each member
Boram gets a yellow costume, Soyeon gets a red one, Qri gets green and so forth. Kinda beats having it too uniform + makes them stand out more individually. -
I don't see Dani as part of T-ara for the same reason I don't see Jiae and Jiwon as part of T-ara either. Why? Because they have never debuted as T-ara. Period. I know you will write an essay why you disagree with me and how "wrong" I am. Don't bother, save your time. I have my opinion on this and you have yours. It's too obvious that we will never agree with each other.
Glad to see there's at least something both of us can agree on
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I actually was reading about Shannon Williams the other day. I was surprised she left the 5dolls/F-ve Dolls lineup, given that she'd had that she was a 5dolls member on her twitter profile for a while, and she must have been training for a while. And since I've heard she's a very talented singer, I'm surprised that CCM let her leave 5dolls ... are soloists suddenly doing really well or something? ><
I also was thinking about K-pop training processes and realised ... Dani has probably, by this point, received more training for T-ara than Boram and Qri combined. Does anyone know if the latter had any prior training from other companies?
June and July are the months of the year when CCM reshuffles member-lineups with its idol groups, so it shouldn't come off entirely as a surprise. Shannon is indeed a talented singer, especially considering her age, though she has yet to debut (in fact, I even wonder if she will actually debut). If memory calls, she started training in CCM at 2011, but for one's talent, putting her in an idol group is...honestly a bit of a waste haha.
Soloists only do well if they can pull it off correctly and have lengthy experience in the showbizz, something Shannon lacks completely.
Regarding Boram and Qri,...the former did undergo some degree of vocal training for her solo mini-albums during her pre-debut years though she wasn't signed onto any agency, and got a lot of help/push from her dad and his connections, who used to be a popular singer in the 70s and 80s. Qri, I don't think she went through anything, unless you count modelling, which was her job. She was signed into a company during then, and was introduced to KKS prior to moving over to CCM and subsequently, T-ara. Though there isn't much detail about it, nor has Qri ever talked about it much, if ever afaik.
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Sapphire cover is simply put, classy, just like the First Absolute Album
Really brings back memories when the group were in their original 6 formation, even though I wasn't a big fan of them at the time. That is all. -
I actually didn't consider that - I wonder if N4 will start producing new English material when they enter the American market. (Although given their history with material in Japan, I wouldn't be surprised if they just remade old songs in English - which could actually be really interesting. English Lovey Dovey please!) I guess that would give Dani a way to expand her role, given that she's most likely to be the group's spokesperson if/when N4 goes to America?
But surely CCM would at least give their trainees a degree of training before debut? I know that Boram and Qri came in with relatively little preparation, but wasn't that because Jiae and Jiwon left and T-ara had already released Good Person? I always thought that Boram and Qri had less training because they joined so close to T-ara's debut. But given that Dani appears to be KKS's wonderchild - why else would he street cast her and give her a spot in his number one girl group? Hmm? - I really hope she's getting some proper training.
But I doubt N4 are going to be in America for too long, and there's always a chance that KKS could find a translator in America instead of one from Korea, assuming that a translator in America would be cheaper? This really doesn't make sense. The more you think about KKS's business decisions ... :s Out of all the N4 members, Dani is the one who's going to be able to connect with their target audience the most, assuming none of the other members develop complete English fluency overnight. But overall I'd say Dani's addition to T-ara was KKS's attempt to lower T-ara's 'age' as a group, give them a more youthful image, and to have T-ara reach out into the western market.
(But can I just say that it's a mighty coincidence that out of all the girls KKS saw on the street, he found one who natively spoke English, but also had connects with Chris Brown and the music industry. What a coincidence indeed ...)
But I agree, it's great to be able to debate these topics in depth :3
Regarding N4's entrance to the US market (that's assuming CCM is even serious with it), most likely, yea, I think Dani's role would be being the group's spokesperson - after all, she's the only trainee/idol in CCM who can speak English aside from Shannon Williams, who's still in limbo basically lol.
Training-wise, of course, CCM would have put at least some degree of training, though the question is how much money and effort was put in. Judging from how lackluster it was for Boram and Qri (keep in mind, training still goes even after debut), as well as Hwayoung, it just seems that no matter who's added, the training they get is inadequate. While I agree with you that Dani is basically KKS's wonderchild (suspiciously), I don't think she's been getting a significantly bigger amount that the 3 members I mentioned. Even if she did, she'd need to go through at least several years to have any praiseworthy results, and even that's hugely doubtful, considering idol rappers are almost never taken seriously.
That aside though, I'd have to agree with you that Dani's addition seems like an attempt (a badly planned and thought-out one at that) to lower the group's average age - after all, KKS attempted it with Hwayoung and Areum, according to the members when the former was added. But even then, any reach into the US market is just doomed to fail, judging from how horrible CCM's management is in practically every level imaginable. Dani having connections with that S.O.B was totally unexpected though hahaha. It kinda does seem really suspicious how he managed to find someone like that in the street, all the while painting himself as a pedo to the media .__.
Diadem needs more debates and discussions like this XD. This really brings back memories here from 2012 hahaha.
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Yeah,I agree whole-heartedly.I don't see the purpose of it and a lot of fans and non-fans say that its rather confusing.Honestly,I believe that either Soyeon or Eunjung should be their permanent leader as I can see a leader vibe in both of them.They can be scary sometimes.I remember in one scene where they were arguing and they look intimidating.Jiyeon is too young (and she's a little childish) to hold a leader's position,Boram and Qri are too quiet while Hyomin is somewhat in the middle.
+ 1 to this.
The leadership position as a whole had been really devalued along the way (looking at Boram and Hyomin as examples, the former obviously is not leader material and the latter, from what I heard, is too much of a 'perfectionist' + was only leader for 6 months) up to the point it doesn't even really matter who the leader is now. It's like a figurehead position with no definitive authority and power in it, even in day-to-day matters.
If I had to bet anything, it's probably just part of CCM's annual June-July rearrangement shuffles with its idol groups. Aside from Soyeon for whatever reason, Boram, Hyomin and Eunjung (upon debut) were designated as leaders during those specific months.
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I think the only saving grace in Dani 'replacing' Areum is that Areum actually only had a line or two in Countryside Life anyway.
But surely, instead of putting a trainee through months of training - I'm not sure what it would involve, but Dani surely would have had rapping, dancing, acting, and Korean lessons, and hopefully some media training - couldn't CCM could just hire a translator during the time N4 is in America? Trainees are expensive! The only bonus I can see to having Dani in N4 is, apart from the English, is that as a normal American kid, KKS is probably expecting she'll appeal to more normal American kids = more profit.
(Although at this point, for anybody else reading, I would just like to say that I have nothing against Dani personally. She seems like a really sweet, hardworking girl who has taken what probably seemed to her to be the opportunity of a lifetime. I'm only criticising CCM/KKS's bad business decisions, not her as a person.)
Still, it's not like CTSL (pardon me for making it an abbreviation, my laziness XD) will be the only song N4 will be performing on stage, assuming that they'll be promoting new stuff into the future - which the possibility is still certain.
Regarding the training process - not every trainee has the benefit of having hundreds of thousands of bucks put into their learning process required to be an idol. Judging from how bad CCM manages its own finances and struggles to make any decent income with groups other than T-ara and Davichi, I don't think it's hard to imagine that the amount they put in each trainee isn't really all that big. They sure as heck didn't invest much into Qri and Boram before T-ara's official debut, that's for sure, while Soyeon had the benefit of being a former SM trainee, and it's not like CCM is as well-off as SM and YG.
Translators in Korea also cost quite a bit of money - anyone who teaches and/or translates English for a school, company or anything gets either a bigger bonus pay or overall bigger salary as well as preferred treatment and respect (and are perceived to be educated from Western countries - not really something an old sob like KKS would look as a good thing, if you know what I mean). All in all, KKS isn't planning this out very well and is holding what may be seen as extremely unrealistic expectations with Dani. If what you say is true regarding his possible belief that Dani being K-American can reach out to American kids, then boy oh boy....it's a ridiculously massive gamble, to say it subtly.
EDIT - it's great to have lengthy discussions with members here once again
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Actually, Dani did recently Instagram a picture with a caption that said something along the lines of 'singing or rapping, who knows what I'll become' - don't quote me word for word, it was to that effect >< - so it's possible that she is going to be a singer instead. I actually thought Areum was being given singing and rapping in most of T-ara's recent songs (in DBD, Sexy Love, and Bunny Style Areum sang and rapped) so Dani could take over her rap lines when she joined, but I guess I was wrong.
I guess I don't understand why CCM would put so much emphasis on Dani being a rapper but then give her singing lines - plus if she really had turned out to have amazing vocals, wouldn't CCM have media played them already? And let's be honest, it's easier to hide a lack of singing ability if you're a rapper. The whole Dani-joining-N4 thing seems really poorly thought-out ... hasn't CCM just considered hiring a translator? I get the feeling that Dani was only added to N4 because she's fluent in English.
Although since we're speaking of media stunts can we all please remember the time CCM said they wanted to create a national dance trend like the YMCA, but with Bunny Style? Yeah.Now that you mention the Instagram thing, that does sort of beg some degree of concern, at least when it comes to live performances (T-ara's lives had always been considered rather weak for obvious reasons, adding Dani,then it's just difficult to bear with). Mind you, Areum didn't get any rap lines in DBD, though after Hwayoung got the boot, it seemed like management decided to put her in that role instead to fill that void.
As far as I can tell, whatever is going on with between CCM and Dani, it's likely that they decided to change their minds or reconsider Dani being a 'rapper'. If they give her both the function of a vocalist (sub or not) and a rapper, then chances are N4's future material, if any, is going to sound pretty darn bad on lives. In fact, Dani joining N4 aside, the sub-unit as a whole probably wasn't well-thought out with from the get-go. Even in the scenario she has great vocals, it'd be weird on CCM's part to suddenly media play about that especially after they've done it so many times with her 'rapping'.
On the other hand, Korean employees who are fluent in English are generally kinda highly expected within Korean companies (and schools, from personal experience there) and older folks see them as a cheap alternative to having a translator - plus no one would want to be hired by that company by this point and it's not like CCM was ever great with wise spending. Dani probably fits in that sort of case, with KKS having the delusional expectations that having a fluent English speaker will get the group somewhere and more chances for profit.
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So I just realised something relating to this -
Areum's part in Countryside Life has no rapping. Areum actually has the 'big note' of the song. So why is Dani even covering Areum's lines when Dani is being specifically trained in rap? Didn't CCM media play aaaaages ago about Dani studying rap for eight hours a day? Didn't she do a rap at T-ara's Japan concert last year? Do we have any proof that she can even sing?
This doesn't even make sense.
That's all what I heard, that Dani is replacing Areum in N4.
But hey, it's CCM - for all we know, she probably is being 'trained' to sing even as we speak and it's not like CCM has been consistent with its media claims and boasting (such as that laughable time when they blurted out N4's success will equate to Gangnam Style); even if she does become a vocalist, she probably won't do a good job in it anyway, which shouldn't come as a surprise as a good number of idols aren't exactly great at it themselves despite years of training.
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Well at least they will be promoting in japan in the meantime:) Tbh after all the madness and nonsense of last year as well as Aerum announcing her departure out of the blue, I'm kinda glad they returned to their original lineup. I'm looking forward to their comeback whenever it will be.
Just hope it stays that way for as long as possible, or at least after the promotions of this future comeback. They seriously need a 2nd studio album, because everything since 2010 so far as been mostly singles, mini-albums and repackages.
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Areum - @smilingdawn pretty much nailed what I had to say. Though if I had to add in my own 2 cents to this, assuming she really is set on going solo, let's be frank - the chances of being successful is pretty much nil. Areum simply does not have the adequate talent, popularity or competent management to make that happen. It's as simple as that. Chances are she'll be put into an already-existing group or a new one into the future. The last time CCM had a popular solo was Lee Hyori and that was years ago - there's also Yangpa, but she stayed for only a year.
Dani - Must stay away from T-ara. Member additions and subtractions have proven to be a factor of destabilization when it comes to CCM's groups. Age aside, what purpose does she even serve in T-ara, yet alone even in N4? The rapper? Eunjung can cover that and anyone can tell that Dani lacks immensely in rapping, even for idol standards. Bluntly put - she should just be put into another group and in the case she is put in T-ara, then I'd rather see 6-ara move out altogether. They're not babysitters, that's one thing for sure. And when it comes to concepts, it also puts bigger strains onto the group since they have a minor - and it's not like T-ara is Chocolat + on CCM's part, it's just asking to be flamed.
Qri - After Soyeon, it was logical Qri would be put in next (Jiyeon being the other alternative, it doesn't make sense the maknae would be the leader either). But let's be frank, the leadership role doesn't mean jack here. Boram sure didn't act like one when she was the leader (just look at her in Hello Baby - which was months after she was given the position), and Hyomin was only leader for what, 6 months? Soyeon was also one of the members directly involved with the tweets regarding Hwayoung, not really something fitting of a leader to do. Changing leaders continuously is just devaluing the position and make it look like nothing but a figurehead title, if not already.
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Lol CCM, then who's also going to be the next person into the group and who'll be the next to be dropped off the bat in the future?
Bad jokes of mockery aside, I do kinda hope their next comeback is as six - and for once, get a badass song like TTL. Relive those old days of 6-ara. It won't even matter if I have to wait a full year for it.
- deedeeduck, subtle_yuki, KaiC and 3 others
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If I'm not mistaken,Dani is confirmed (unfortunately) to be added into T-ara N4 although I was hoping that it didn't happen.That little girl is still young and she still has a bright future ahead of her but she screwed it up by joining this crappy company owned by you-know-who.
Furthermore,I heard that T-ara as a whole,will be now promoting as a six-member group.I'm not even surprised if July next year,we'll be reading the same type of article again - only this time,it's a different person.
Well, I guess it looks like things'll be looking a bit bastardly even more into the future then .___.
If she's gonna be put into N4, there's a strong possibility she could be put into 6-ara as a group too at some point, which would probably spark up quite a bit of outrage (and that's putting it subtly). Though as you say, next June/July is going to be quite a show - for all we know, one of the original members could possibly get the boot too.
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I hear ya but still in a way it's better that she personally came out and addressed this matter then leaving it to KKS, we all know how well that went. I don't know to be honest Either KKS learned his lesson from last year and decided to let Aerum speak for herself, witch I highly doubt btw or Aerum decided to take charge of the matter on her own. Either way, yeah scatter there's a good chance for this to backfire in her face, let's face it T-aras antis have been known to excel at taking things far out of context and exaggerating them. I hope this time around this will not be the case but who knows.
On another note it's good to see ya again soldier, glad to see you finally showing your presence:).
If it was during say, mid 2012, then I'd fully agree with her personally addressing the issue on her own but at this point, it's not really doing her much good to feed the other side considering her association with pretty much Korea's most disliked girl group, both in the short and long term.
If anything, she's probably playing along with CCM's crap - though as you say, perhaps KKS did learn his lesson somewhat (though he still had reps sprouting nonsense regarding this matter).
The way she even defended KKS alone just doesn't make any sense - if she was really doing it on her own free will, I don't think she would have done so (and added with that, Areum's probably fully well aware of the massive amounts of damage KKS has done to the group for years). This isn't something you'd see from the 6-ara members either, as they have shown disdain towards KKS every now and then in the past.
Lol, it's great to see you too. And don't call me soldier yet hahaha. You're free to do so in mid 2015
(whacked up immigration laws here denied me entry until Feb 2015, since it's required for both permanent residents and citizens to live in the country for 5 years before starting basic). -
Even if true, Areum's chances of being successful as a solo are extremely low, if not even zero.
1. Popularity comparable, or even lower than Boram and Qri. In other words, she's only marginally popular than a nugu rookie idol.
2. Vocal skills. She's not even on Soyeon's level, nor is she comparable to other vocally able idols like Taeyeon and Hyorin. I won't even get started on her 'rapping'.
3. Agency. Let's be honest here - CCM's management is awfully sub-par, and that's putting it subtly. Last time they had a successful solo was Lee Hyori, and that was 4 years ago.
4. Chances are she's probably going to be added into a different group into the future as the main 'vocal' or the 'visual'. There's a good chance that CCM is saying BS here and Areum playing along with it. After all, CCM seems to enjoy rearranging its groups during June and July, for whatever reasons.
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Areum, the more you keep talking, the bigger the fire is gonna get and it's not gonna keep you safe from getting burns along the way. That's all I have to say.
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As I wrote from NB.
With the exception from 2011, T-ara's had member additions ever since 2009. Jiae and Jiwon left citing 'musical differences' in June, only to be quickly replaced by Soyeon, Boram and Qri on short notice within the month.
Then in 2010, Hwayoung is added for no solid or even legitimate reason. Fast-forward to 2012, Areum is added while Dani is media-played, though Hwayoung then gets the boot.
Now today, Areum is leaving too and now there's possibility of Dani replacing her spot in N4.
June and July is that particular time of the year for T-ara, by the looks of it. At this rate, members are probably gonna get added and subtracted every year.
EDIT: And quite honestly, all these member lineup changes happening so frequently, it just goes to say that the instability and stagnancy within CCM is becoming more clearer as it goes.
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A week of no news/appearances regarding T-ara shouldn't be all that much of a big thing to be worried about. Be patient
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'Best' is way too subjective, really. It sounds like just another fad for fandoms to spam.
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I heard something about T-ara having a comeback in July as well (this was a few weeks ago, though I can't remember what the source was). It actually didn't strike me as surprising, since K-pop groups are especially busy during the summer season in Korea and that's when a lot of comebacks are out.
Though all things put, I'm actually kind of glad it turns out not to be the case.
It's not really the most brightest idea to promote in Korea anyway. Of course, anyone would know that the group's main antagonist probably thinks otherwise, since he's always been a dimwitted fool.
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One can only go 'OMG SO TINY AND CUTE' at seeing Boram standing next to the woman in the black shirt
[COVER] T-ara 'Bikini' (07/29)
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The MV's name makes me LOL.
And I'm pretty sure Boram's chest was never that big either....(and this is coming from a Boram fan here).