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Vote goes to Boram. I won't even go as far to explain why, because it'd be one hell of a long fanboy-style essay.
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*Gun clocks* Nah..joking
yea...I totally agree with u though. He did such things that dragged our girls to hell, he still does..*cough ahem...Las vegas ahem*.... I remember last year when I was going rage for every stupid excuses and things he said back then. I was screaming like..."Man...it would be better if u didn't say anything at all, look what happened after everything you announce!"Boy oh boy, don't even mention about Las Vegas XD. That was just...I actually am not sure what to say about it.
Suffice to say, it's pretty clear he did not learn his lesson from last year's fiasco - not to mention he even sent his own goons to Sports Seoul's editor's office because he didn't like the way how that media outlet slightly criticized N4's American 'advancement' >__> Makes me think what sort of crap the group gets from him behind-the-scenes since he had no problem doing something only mobsters or dictatorship regimes would do to one of Korea's renowned media outlets.
Showbizz is a scary as world and could use a bit more police crackdowns :/
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Away for a couple of days, now on a public holiday (go, Queen's birthday! WOOT!) and see this thread. I got a feeling a major sh1tstorm's going to land this thread.
@eXeed - might as well just close this permanently if things go wily here. Personally, I think it's already gone far enough here, for obvious reasons. Past discussions regarding this topic have continuously gone down the same path and quite frankly, I think it should actually go down to the method of actually banning or heavily monitoring (or even censoring) certain members who have a tendency to make a huge quack about this exact topic and make it their own personal playground by trying to 'block out' people with opinions like Timtam's - in other words, they try to make it taboo and almost impossible to discuss without making it look like a blasted crater of a thread.
@Timtam - I actually agree with your post (don't shoot me for asking the mod to close this), though at this point, I think it's best you limit this to certain members of the forums via PM discussions since undoubtedly, the fandom itself is heavily divided and there's no way it can ever see itself in the same 'united' form it was before the scandal. It's your call though, and I won't stop you from anything and if you plan on making similar threads in the future, I'm cool with that too so long as it doesn't degenerate.
Back then, people here actually universally agreed that KKS/CCM were nutjobs for very valid reasons but now, all that media manipulation has sharply antagonized things a lot further than ever imagined. People seem to have forgotten that the exact leading factor that led to T-ara becoming Korea's most disliked group is purely because of KKS's lies, PR incompetence and stubbornness (not to mention he more or less sacrificed the group's image to avoid the brunt of the blame he truly deserves).
And it will probably continue to be that way, possibly even beyond the days when some of the members' contracts expire and leave CCM for good. Boy, I hate it when my predictions actually come true and if the last sentence does, then goddamn. It'll be a very sad mark of history in Korea's major girl groups.
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Generally only prefer myself as a casual fan of the group (and more specifically, a bigger fan of certain members). I'm more than happy to just label myself as a 'fan'. I get the meaning behind Queen's, but it still somehow feels...I don't know, tacky? Reminds me, someone brought up of the name 'Tiramisu' when people were thinking of what names could be used for the official fandom name.
Exactly. It's not that you're a queen, but that you are the queen's. Like, a servant or something to royalty.
I think 'admirer' would better fit lol. 'Servant', somehow brings up images of people being worked to the bone :3
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"LoL at the amount of negativity in your posts Scatter! Also why are you so butthurt over CCM? :D"
Because I find it highly intolerable that CCM's constant mistakes have been damaging the group in all sorts of ways imaginable? I think I've made this clear. There is absolutely nothing positive about CCM at all. I'll admit I'm a pessimistic person, but I don't condone the bad CCM has done to the group even one bit. It's intolerable, immoral and borderlines to abuse of human rights, if not already.
"Look I don't like this company either because they give subpar roles for Qri. But other than that I think their management is superb. Yeah they are demanding and want best results from T-ara girls all the time, what company wouldn't? I'll help you - a shitty one! But no way in hell they mistreat girls, it is not in their best interest!"
I don't see how working them like slaves, threatening them in public, forcing the members to compete with one another, making openly blatant lies to the public, storming into media outlet offices and cussing at the staff etc. can be in any way, be asking for the 'best results' from T-ara or classified as 'superb management'. You're being incredibly naive at best here. CCM is a shitty company and it always will be so long as Kim Kwang Soo is in charge. There is plenty of evidence that proves this and it's enough to turn some people's stomachs inside out.
" And if that would be the case, girls themselves or their parents would do something about it."
And how do you think their parents or the girls themselves will stand up to a mobster-like CEO who's done so much bad to them? I'm interested in hearing this out - if they were able to do it, they would have done it long ago and CCM would have respected their decisions. Too bad it never really has.
"T-ara is CCM's gold mine and it would cost them dearly if something bad would happen to them."
It doesn't matter if T-ara is CCM's gold mine or not. The two cannot co-exist peacefully nor professionally without incident and CCM's actions have done far more harm to the group than any external forces have. Ideally, the group should be allocated to a different company but that's impossible because they simply don't have the power to do so, unless they want to take a massive gamble like JYJ, Block B and KARA have in the past.
"So just think about it. It's easy to give to bad rumour, thats why mass of T-ara antifans exploded last year. People are looking for senstations and they will believe in everything."
Of course they do. And at the same time, it's just as easy for CCM to make over-exaggerate T-ara to the extremes - their media play alone has displayed this numerous times. Do you know why the number of T-ara's antis increased explosively last year? Long answer short - KKS's constantly contradicting statements and overall poor PR is exactly why - he continued to lie and make a fool out of himself and the group, leading to complete distrust of the company and the group overall - which in turn, led to people disliking the group even further.
It's not even a 'rumor'. Eunjung herself, admitted the group was foolish in venting their anger out on Hwayoung via Twitter and ganging up on one person, whatever the reason, is bullying.
The media's a terrifying weapon to use and to mishandle the use of it is horrifying. CCM did just that, and T-ara ended up paying the price. Ask any regular here in Diadem, and they can definitely tell you that CCM is undoubtedly an incompetent company with terrible morals.
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Not really a big fan of either four, but I suppose I admire Eunjung the most, hence my vote goes to her lol.
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@Scatter. Glad to see you too, mate. Yeah, you were really away for a while. Regarding this post and its content, I would say its almost same as beating a dead horse because I have already changed my thoughts, lol. After seeing T-ara VS KKS on NB and the recent hectic schedule, my thoughts have changed drastically. I will not comment about those thing like "I will Support w/e they do" because its not my intention now. I will reply you on those point that I disagree with you.
1.Though I agree(lol, its really odd bcoz its my first time agree with you after all the discussion we had over months in the past) that T-ara should take some time off or even run away from CCM but its still little rude to say " I would have jumped off the building". Taking life is never a solution. That being said, I, too think that T-ara might want to be free from KKS. What's the possibility of KKS intentionally making T-ara look so bad that none of the other agency would accept them even if T-ara try to join them after T-ara's contract expires?? I really find so same things fishy after that post on NB. Though I had ideas of KKS being devil more or less but that was just "REALLY?? DID HE REALLY?".. I couldnt even..
2. In the past, I once said " Work to death T-ara. You have to establish yourself first and bring those people who were left behind. Its not time to rest at all" on "T-ara to hold Aisa Tour next year" or was it " T-ara to hold Japanese Concert next year" but now, I dont think like this at all. Though I still want them to promote and gain fame for themselves but not this way. I want them to treasure themselves and give more priority to their health and I definitely disagree with promotion of Korean CB, Japanese CB and Budokan Concert with in 3-4 months time span. As far as CB is concerned, I was never happy with this Collaboration but then again, it was win-win situation for T-ara. Their image wont get any better even if they were to disagree with the Collaboration so yeah.. And I definitely agree with you regarding KKS and this disgusting way of treating T-ara and running a company.
It's not support of their careers that T-ara needs. It's the support of their own humanity (and probably even their own sanity) to live their lives as normally and healthily as possible that T-ara likely needs more.
- Well, at this point T-ara's career is their humanity, their lively-hood, their pride and all. Even if T-ara were to disband and go their separate ways (Note that KKS will never let them into ShowBiz if T-ara were to ditch him and his company), do you think they will be able to live a normal lives?? With what qualifications or means?? Neither they are young enough to enroll into College and restart their studies(except Jiyeon, Hyomin and definitely Areum) nor they have any extra talent other than ShowBiz related?? With a tag of "Bullies" and such huge amount of hatred, how will they be able to live normal lives?? The only option they got is to work at departmental store, convenient store, some retail shop or at best, as Dance Trainer or Vocal Trainer. For Someone who have lived their lives being Celeb, do you think they will be able to do such works in Public?? While I do understand your point of giving up being a idol rather than being money making slaves under KKS but do understand that life isnt such easy. There are times when one has to give up his happiness/self-respect/Pride for Lively-hood and that's what T-ara is doing now. They dont have anything to do to survive other than living Celeb life in such a way. They are basically compromising with life and that's the story of every next person. But again, I want them to live a happy normal life which isnt possible under KKS. I dont know what I am saying. My statement is going back and forth. All the brakes from hell went loose after reading T-ara VS KKS. I just want them to be happy and if they think w/e they are doing will bring them happiness then I will support them..
3. Regarding Sub-unit and its comparison with SL, I got my answer after seeing Gaon Chart Rankings on AKP. It wasnt even half of what we had during the Scandal at its Peak so yeah you got it right there..
Working 2 part-time jobs, meeting an awesome girl and helping with translating + proof-reading reports & emails for my dad takes quite an amount of time before I even get to do whatever else I always used to do on the computer XD (notice I don't even comment as frequently as I used to on NB as well) I enjoy our every-now-and-then discussions, and I'll take the time to address some of the points you disagreed with.
1. In regards to the 'jumping off the building' bit, yea, I'll admit it probably was a bit far-fetched though let's be honest here - I think it's safe to say that if you, me, or pretty much anyone we know personally - if any one of us was in T-ara, we'd probably go as far to complain to the police of human rights abuse or even report to groups like Amnesty. Being bullied by iljins was torturous, but being bullied by a CEO who's like a gang boss is a pure hell .__. What I was trying to say their workload is so excessively toxic that your average person would probably barely last a month, if you hadn't figured already. After all, Korea's education system brought in quite a number of student suicides and putting it simply, KKS's 'work' system is pretty much several levels worse than that in nature.
2. It's hard to say it's an automatic win-win situation for their activites in America. I mean, looking at the Las Vegas performance alone...well, yea. N4, even with CB, is stuck with having to start from rock bottom and it seems pretty clear that CCM did not attempt to do any real long-term planning either, which can be a serious hindrance in both the short and long run.
With no adequate support, the machine isn't going to go very far itself. Why Chris Down of all people, I think a lot of fans (including you and me) would be extremely curious to find that out too. The guy's got a criminal record...it's frankly a bit worrying. God knows what he could possible do to the group >__>.
3. I think this is where our discussion could really go long ways here, haha.
By the time their contracts end, some of the members would already be close to hitting 30 (assuming they're not kicked out like Hwayoung before that happens), and the idol life is notoriously short + with all the hell they had gone through under CCM, I think it's very safe to say at least some of the members would be desperate to just find a typical 9-5 job unrelated to the industry, whatever that will be rather than pursuing such careers. It's kind of like how many conscripts in the ROK military feel - most never dare to stay longer beyond their 2-year service, yet still look back at it with some degree of pride because they saw that they overcame hardships they never even thought about. Like you said, they won't get anywhere far whether if the contract expires or they rebel against it - past members of CCM since KKS was CEO have it real rough to stay afloat in the showbiz (Lee Hyori is the only exception I believe).
With college - mind you, there isn't an age limit for upper education in Korea. You're right that most people in college are in their early to mid 20s, but some people do stay much longer or enter later (heck, a friend of my dad didn't even graduate until he was 28 and a pastor I knew graduated when he was in his early 30s). By the way, Boram and Qri already pretty much completed college education before debuting (or were at least near it - which in any case, it won't take long for them to do so, unless they're thick as bricks). Of course, that leaves Soyeon out, whose alma is unknown.
There's also that word that many fans would find shocking to see - marriage. If either one has a husband that can support them on a daily basis, I think they could slowly integrate back to civilian life. I never said it was going to be easy, but for the sake of their health, it's probably the most likely case for some of the members, or perhaps even all of them if they can't continue into the showbiz. And even then, who knows, the future in the next few years is far too uncertain and some fortune *could* occur for T-ara (and the exact opposite for CCM).
Ultimately, I think it would eventually boil down to what fans would prefer between now and the near future - either have the group continue on further, but at the same time also condoning the gritty hell the members go through under CCM with heavy mental and physical costs or prefer them to disband and live quiet but healthy lives (or alternatively, have them somehow rebel against CCM like JYJ did, even if it risks the group gravely as well as the future dreams of the members who intend on staying in the showbiz after the contracts expire).
CCM's tyranny won't last forever either, seeing KKS is now already in his early 50s, he's bound to retire or be replaced by someone else. Right now though, it's extremely difficult, if not even impossible, to completely confirm whether if they feel being idols is their only way of survival or what they do brings happiness for even the slightest unless they spill it from their own mouths, which probably won't happen until long after the group (or the members, assuming CCM decides to make T-ara an After-School 2.0) disbands and/or when KKS is no longer active in the industry.
I'm so sad because the latest single, JW diary cant do great in music charts. I love the song. Even if some people dont like the song, it's still a better one compared to another comebacks of another groups. The other comebacks dont make any great hits like previous years, but they still top the charts in the speed of rocket. Now JW diary keeps going down in charts. Heartbreaking.
Sub-units in K-pop generally don't do very well overall (save for TaeTiSeo, Sistar19 and Infinite-H) so it shouldn't come off as too much of a surprise. Concept-wise, many Koreans , particularly teens and young adults, also aren't very warm to an idol hip-hop concept largely because Korea already has its own solidly-established hip-hop industry and artists, who enjoy a lot of popularity from that exact audience - and generally speaking, the vast majority of idol rappers simply cannot rap very well and usually come off as try-hards, fakes or wannabes.
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@Eunjung4eva - there's a couple of things I don't quite understand (or even agree with). But first of all, long time no see, buddy
Feels somehow weird to be back here after nearly 3 weeks. 1. Fans here do not know for absolute certain whether if T-ara even wants to remain active as a group now. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about, judging from some of our convos in the past and that Netizenbuzz article that had a huge compliation of T-ara vs CCM moments. The girls didn't even know they were going to America until the articles about it were released - they weren't given the time to prepare or even think about it. With such a fiercely bad relationship with their own CEO, you'd think it's normal for them to think they'd have had many, many thoughts of wanting to quit and live normal lives - Boram and Qri in particular. Anyone lesser would have already tried to do so. If I was in their shoes, hell, I probably would have thrown myself off the rooftop of a building already.
2. When you say 'Queen's are gonna support them no matter what' - I find this a bit concerning, as it also means condoning/accepting/overlooking/ignoring the kind of ungodly hell the group has to go through under CCM on an almost daily basis. Even collabing with Chris Brown and to support it, it's not really any different to supporting them to working with a criminal just for the sake of their career. That's a bit too far imo. Seeing CCM also raid Sports Seoul recently over a petty reason, I think that shows more than enough to say that T-ara is run by a mobster who prefers to run his company like a dictatorship. Maybe it's just a personal speech of yours, but logically put, that sounds a bit...dangerous, to put it subtly.
It sort of connects with Point No.1 above. They're not your average idol group having typical up and down moments - they're a group that's very well near to going on the decline, if not already, largely thanks to huge negligence from the agency. If anything, what the situation has devolved into is an clear ongoing bipartisan 'war'. - fans vs antis and netizens, all thanks to media manipulation from CCM - and T-ara is right in the middle of it.
It's not support of their careers that T-ara needs. It's the support of their own humanity (and probably even their own sanity) to live their lives as normally and healthily as possible that T-ara likely needs more.
3. Generally speaking, subunits do not sell as much as their parent units do. N4 was already guaranteed to not sell or rank very high up in the charts (or stay high for long) before they even debuted. The record of other sub-units (minus Infinite and TTS, whose fanbases are sizable) alone shows this, at least in physical album sales. Even if they debuted in an alternate scenario where the scandal never happened, at best, sales would have been in the several thousands, assuming their popularity ran stale along the way (which probably would have been the case).
Mind you, girl groups also tend to universally do well with digital sales, whether if they go through a scandal or not.
That is all.
Haha, I didn't even know Blizzard was located here
. Irvine itself doesn't have much to offer, but it resides in the charming Orange County, with LA county a short drive away. If you ever do visit, there's plenty of niches to explore . In regards to Countryside Diary though.. Live or studio, I cringe every time. Every time!
Man, you must be rich too at that
I heard living costs in Irvine are pretty darn expensive as well. How did you even not know Blizzard was HQ'd at Irvine O___O Always wanted to visit that city - even had the chance to do so way back in December 2011, though sadly, plans got abruptly cancelled for reasons my uncle couldn't tell me T_T Definitely agreed on CTD's lives with you >__>.
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Hmm, where to start...
1. To my best of knowledge, and heard from SSF forums itself, the album is believed to be out this year and actual work on it started this year too, at the latest (or last year at the earliest). I could easily apply for T-ara, but they're at a much sore disadvantage compared to SNSD from the get-go, with no fluency in English in any of the members here. Nor is CCM even anywhere adept, connected, influential or even competent business-wise to SM.
2. Contacts - the same can exactly apply to Korea's music industry as well. This is a very well-known fact, with idols and their agencies constantly kissing up to the asses of broadcast companies, PDs, drama production companies, CF companies and hell, the list goes on and on and 'darker' along the way. I don't see how Chris Brown featuring in some song of N4 is going to actually boost up their popularity in the US - marginally? Perhaps so, people may give them some degree of attention. But as rising super stars? Hell no. There is absolutely nothing that guarantees this. Considering this is CCM we're talking about, not to mention the lack of any real details regarding Dani-Chris Brown relations, the whole affair does not even make much sense to begin with.
Who in America is actually going to care about a group of 4 Korean women hanging around with Chris Brown? Chances are, most people on first glance are probably going to think "Oh, looks like Brown got hooked up with 4 Asian girls from China" or something along those lines.
Regardless, people are going to find out about it if N4 continues to stay. I don't see how you're even generalizing the attitudes of people of a country with a population of over 300 million. As far as I'm concerned, working with someone with a very well-known record of domestic abuse and violence is an immoral disgrace and anything that's done to condone it, is simply put, unacceptable. That's like asking a cop to work with an active serial killer to hunt down another serial killer. It's not cool at all. They're basically working with a damn nutter who should have gone to prison, for crying out loud. Hell, even T-ara themselves didn't know until articles were released to the media.
Now, if they were collaborating with those with a clean record, such as Linkin Park, Jason Mraz and the such, then no complaints. But with one with a criminal record? Even if people in the US don't give much of a flying hell about it, morally, it's still unacceptable and tarnishes the group's image even further down the drain.
3. Regarding JWD and what you said regarding their activities, this merely proves my point and prediction from roughly a month ago or so, that JWD isn't going to perform very well in the charts. It was a given from the get-go and it's not merely the Korean public that is the issue. It's CCM. The two CANNOT co-exist peacefully and I think plenty of evidence that backs this up exists even with a simple Google search. So long as CCM continues to media-play the group aka feed the netizens, it's only going to deteriorate things for T-ara further and further and continues to drive down any attempt of redemption to 0%. Activities in the US are not going to make up for this in the long run and whatever hopes the fandom has of N4 hitting it big in the United States is at best, is wishful thinking. CCM cannot sustain such a thing at all and let's be frank - even though America has its own share of less-than-talented stars, N4 isn't exactly that talented as a group either, if not even below. T-ara's lives have consistently been among the weakest of idol groups and N4's JWD lives showed zero improvement of this.
If anything, the group should have stayed in Japan where they had any real degree of success, even though they're not widely popular in Japan to begin with. Playing safe and playing morally, to put it simply. I'll admit I'm pessimistic as hell, but I still stand by my opinion that there isn't going to be any real significant success for N4 in America, working with a criminal is absolutely unacceptable and should not be overlooked or condoned in any single way and that at best, CCM is grasping at straws with no real major plan in sight for this entire thing or more busy with making itself look like some splendid perfection of a K-pop agency like it always does.
This is KKS's own selfish delusional greed and unrealistic dreams playing here. Not something what N4 would have wanted nor even honestly shown what they wanted. They didn't even know jack about it until they saw articles about it in the Internet, so he basically forced them to work in the US and indirectly, fans are also condoning such a decision whether they realize it or not.
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Ugh, I'm not the only one a bit sick from just looking at the photo, am I?
As a few others have mentioned, at best, it's a PR move. A ridiculous one at that. Hell, not even the Big 3 companies could crack on America with their acts in the past so it makes it even more illogical (and to put it very bluntly, awfully dumb and foolhardy) for a company like CCM to attempt it.
This puts T-ara N4 on a whole new playing level in the world of music of the SK girl groups.....as far as the international stage is concerned.
With the possibility of other collaborations, T-ara N4 may become a full-blown Hip-Hop group as a standalone without Qri, Soyeon and Boram??? He sad?!
If.....they are successful that is in the American market and abroad.Korea has its own share of hip-hop artists who are actually legitimate in what they do and it's these guys who are more taken seriously in that genre. T-N4 is not one of them.
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Hope you don't mind me being a bit nitpicky here but the title is perhaps a bit misleading - T-ara will not be 'standing strong' for the 'many years to come'.
Idol groups never really last all that long, for beginners, save for cases like Shinhwa and possibly in the future, SNSD as well i.e. groups that
As soon as the members' contracts expire (which may as well be happening anytime between next year to maybe 3 years at best - hell even this year possibly), then it's over. T-ara would either disband or become a shadow of its former self. And when it comes to how very, very little Boram and Qri actually benefited as idols (and in Boram's case, legitimate health issues), chances of them signing back into CCM are very, very low.
The song does well largely because of T-ara's fanbase (as with pretty much any major K-pop group). Not because it's a genius masterpiece.
It's not even about T-ara vs netizens and antis anymore. It's about T-ara vs their own future.
@Denty012 - In regards to Countryside Diary, you ain't the only one mate lol. Performing a song like that is undoubtedly going to be difficult (if not impossible) to pull off well in live stages. On the other hand, *gasp* you live in Irvine?! Always wanted to visit that place, especially since it's where Blizzard Entertainment is located at :3
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Wait,SNSD is going to debut in US this year?I'm a SONE but I didn't even know this
.But at least I can see some hope since two of them are native speakers.Call me a hater but IF T-ara make a debut in the U.S,I doubt it's gonna work especially when none of them can speak English fluently.Dani probably can but isn't it a bit awkward when the youngest and the newest member gonna talk the whole time during an English conversation?
And I thought KKS couldn't get any worse.Heh.
SNSD supposedly has a full English album in the works that's supposed to be out this year (not sure when) but a good number of Sones themselves (including me) don't really think it's going to succeed. Even with two native speakers, it's simply not going to work despite that the members are supposedly decking more on their English studies.
But to be honest, no Korean music celebrity has ever succeeded in America. BoA, Se7en, Wonder Girls to name a few went to America during the height of their popularity but failed miserably. The American music industry is completely different to what the Korean music industry is - and is much more cutthroat, to put it at that too. If even some of Korea's most popular acts failed, there's no way T-ara can go half as close as they did. The only example is Psy and he's only a one-hit wonder at best.
in the us eventhough a certain artist have encountered controversies regardless of those scandals as long as his music can still hit high on the charts those controversies would just stay on his shadow.. international speaking if t-ara n4 would be in associate with chris brown's name that would be very beneficial for them worldwide because it would help them broaden their fandom.. in korea, k-netizens/haters would just keep on bashing what t-ara will do in the future so why do we need to care for them.. the important thing is collaborating with an international star could bring t-ara's name to its greater heights internationally.. let's think positive things and dont mind k-netizens/bashers/haters will say, besides they will always talk and talk and talk bad things to t-ara.. we should just say to these insecure people "WHY YOU HATING?, MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS" hahaha..
2NE1 had wil.i.am with them and they didn't fare too well themselves.
I don't know about you, but a good many people don't look at Chris Brown very positively and his music hits high in the charts? Well he still has fans that actually think lightly of what he did with Rihanna. Let's say T-ara's name was spread thanks to collabing with CB - among the many things people are going to quickly find out is T-ara's scandal last year and how badly screwed up their management is. It's a double-bladed sword.
Going to make a jump in the US is not something that should be taken so lightly. Korean celebrities in the past have tried and failed when they were at the height of their popularity in Korea and there is no way T-ara can even go achieve as much as they have there, regardless of collaborating or not. If anything, the group should be focusing more in Japan. Not doing some wild one-shot attempt in the US.
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This is absolutely and even appallingly ridiculous.
Chris Brown's reputation for being an woman beater alone is more than enough to say that this is one of the most profoundedly stupid moves on CCM's part for T-ara's already broken image. It's like they're trying to damage the group's image even further! Come on, seriously?
Do they even have any idea what Chris did to Rihanna? The man is a horrible scumbag who should have his ass hauled to jail and forbidden from the showbiz. Being a womanizer as well, if anything, T-ara should stay away from him as far as possible.
With SNSD preparing for its own US debut this year, seems like CCM's gotten bloated off with its idiocy again. Why am I not surprised. Then again, CCM did try to make T-ara a group of 9 members like SNSD last year
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Rather forgettable. And contrary to CCM's media crap, it certainly is not the 'next Gangnam style' as it boasted and never will be.
As others have said, the male rapping was rather quite unnecessary and the song feels like a more legit version of SNSD's IGAB (which isn't really saying much at all).
What bites me off the most is that T-ara tried to make themselves look legit with this 'hip-hop' concept. Please. Mixing K-pop and hip-hop is NOT something you can just casually pull off and the only idols I can think of who are actually worth considered as legit in combining the two are BAP and Block-B.
Call me an elitist, but K-pop doesn't need to have idol groups doing this 'hip hop concept' when most idols' rapping ability is at best average and at worst horrendous - not to mention the K-hiphop industry itself thrives pretty well with a strong fanbase of its own (and are much more well-respected as real artists). Tiger JK, Drunken Tiger, Dynamic Duo, Supreme Team, Leessang, Huckleberry P, Epik High and Outsider come into mind. An idol group doing it without much real credible skill/experience comes off as awfully wannabe-ish.
The fact that the song had way too many one-liners didn't do it for me either + overly processed vocals, something the group has been doing for years and gives some indication that they hadn't really improved in vocal ability since. In fact, it had more 'chanting' than singing actually.
I give it a 3/10. The only props I can give is the choreography and the lyrics (and even then, I've a mixed perception with the lyrics there) + that it's a slightly bit more improved version of the female idol hip-hop concept that many other groups have done (admittedly).
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Eunjung said firstly, "I wanted to say something. I truly did not know she would be taken out of the group. My heart really hurt from it as well," as she began to cry. Hyomin then said, "It was not bullying." The trailer captured all the members wiping away their tears.
T-ara N4 are expected to really reveal what happened during the "bullying" issue last year."
Yes, and please actually address what happened in full detail, unlike that poor sorry-ass excuse of a show called 'Confession' last year, which was supposed to address things yet it didn't even go anywhere close to doing so and pretty much was overhyped crap + wasting the time of many who were actually looking forward to the issue being discussed about in detail. People are particularly going to want to know why KKS made so many dumb and contradictory statements that made him look like someone removed his brain (not that he has much of one to begin with) and why exactly the group was eerily silent during the heated days of the scandal prior to Soyeon's interview.
What they said in that trailer was hardly any different in nature to what was said in 'Confession' way back.
We want full answers from their own mouths.
I should give a general subbed summary of this when the ep is uploaded here like I did with 'Confession' last year :3
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This is my second post on this thread, since it's changed from the last time (which was last year. Lol)
Appearance: Boram, Soyeon, Eunjung, Hyomin, Qri, Jiyeon, Areum
Vocals: Soyeon, Eunjung, Hyomin, Boram, Jiyeon, Areum, Qri
Acting: Eunjung, Boram, Hyomin, Soyeon/Jiyeon (tied), Qri, Areum
Charm: Boram, Eunjung, Soyeon, Qri, Jiyeon, Hyomini, Arem
Dancing: Eunjung, Jiyeon, Hyomin, Qri, Boram, Soyeon, Areum
General: Boram and Soyeon.
Cuteness: Boram, Qri, Eunjung, Soyeon, Jiyeon, Hyomin, Areum
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Like I answered back in my PM as well, its not about the comment or logic but the way of approaching T-ara's article itself. Anyways, My question to you wasnt about this article itself but the real meaning of fan "as in" the question.Though my question was somewhat away from the thread for which I apologize but the outcome aka reply was worth enough.. Btw, Scatter the article itself isnt talking about them being in hiatus for 11 years bt its talking about the 11 years hiatus they had after the completion of Drama" Rular Life" which had same name as T-ara's song "Rural Life".. To be more precised, its talking about the 11 years hiatus they had from last "Rural Life" (their Drama) to T-ara's "Ruarl Life" (T-ara's song). Basically its about the time that took them to come together as a couple from one Rural life to another Rural life and the time interval i.e. 11 yrs was termed as Hiatus.. Well that's what I understood from the description and I dont think CCM or reports will make such obvious mistake coz Choi Bool-am had his last drama in 2012 as stated in his Dramawiki..
No problem at all
But in this case, I really think the word 'reunion' would have better fitted the description, rather than the word 'hiatus', which gives off a pretty wrong impression on first glance. The article doesn't say anything specific about them having a 11 year hiatus from their drama career to T-ara's MV in any particular sentence either, as far as I see it. Besides, CCM's always made a lot of over-exaggerations in the past when it comes to hyping T-ara prior to comebacks.
Either way, seems like case is solved. Disclosed :3
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@Eunjung4eva - I answered your question via PM
I actually found it pretty difficult to answer, considering it's a pretty broad question but I hope the answer suffices haha. If you got any more questions about it, just ask away and I'll be happy to give an answer. On the other hand though, what I mentioned in my above post is true though - neither of those two were on hiatus for 11 years at all, just pointing out a correction, that's all (admittedly, the whole '11 year hiatus' thing seemed pretty suspicious at first glance since such a case is rare, if not never heard of among Korean celebrities. You can check their profiles on Dramawiki, as the list of dramas they were in is there). Hey scatter is back, where have ya been mate:D
Anyway apart from the nonsense in the message I have to say it's a nice touch to add in to the MV some of the old cast of the drama, for authenticity sake I suppose.
Anyway ever since they announced Qri, Boram and Soyeons subunit That's all i can think about. Still I hope N4 will do well and that Rural life will be a hit.
Lol, been around here and there.
The one thing that boggles me though, is that if it's supposedly a countryside MV...then why were the earlier pics related to something of a rehashed visual of 2NE1 or EVOL of the sort :/ It doesn't really make all that much sense to me, unless there's two MVs being released - a dance-in-the-box version and a drama MV (which CCM always seems hellbent on doing, even though it's not really all that necessary).
I squealed upon the announcement of the QBS sub-unit though :3 I *hope* it'll be something good i.e. something that isn't autotuned to death or cheesy as heck aegyo :/ This was way, way long overdue XD.
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"The national actor Choi Boolam and actress Kim Sumi will appear in T-ara N4's new "Rural Life" music video after being on hiatus for 11 years."
Choi Bool-am and Kim Sumi certainly were not on hiatus for 11 years from K-dramas *facepalm*. Even a quick Google search with their names proves that, unless the article is saying they hadn't been in the same show for 11 years - which in that case, the word 'hiatus' is a pretty moot point.
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Sorry if I offend anyone but I find it laughable that some people want CCM to promote the less popular members, i.e Soyeon, Qri and Boram, instead. From what we can see during the past few months, CCM seems to try to scrape as much money as they can from Queen's to possibly make up for the drop in profit from T-ara after the scandal. So why they would want to invest more money on the older ones who also happen to have less fans than the 4 younger members (except for Areum who is new, thus she may have the least fans)? I agree with Regius that with the launch of the sub-unit, CCM is preparing for fans to get used to seeing T-ara with only 4 members, at the same time they might just been looking for the best timing to announce the departure of the unnies.
Sso, Qri and Boram can relax at home (hopefully it's is the case) and watch their group members sweat on stage to bring in money for the group (though the unnies' share could be minimal, it's better than nothing).
Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with individually promoting the less popular members - or at least give them a little push to get their names noticed a tad a bit more. Cube took a go at it with Jiyoon and Gayoon in 4minute's new subunit 2Yoon - though granted, that sub-unit didn't really make much of an impact. Even with SM's SNSD, when the group isn't doing comebacks, all members still found their own niche of individual activities as the years went by.
Alas, I really can't help but think this may be a move indicating Boram and Qri's possible departure, as well as Soyeon. Reminds me of the times last year when everyone pretty much accused CCM of going down to After School's or AKB-48's 'graduation' system - if this happens to be the case, then T-ara may as well be a wholly different group in the near future, the name being nothing more than just a label really - doesn't help that CCM doesn't have anyone else in its roster to even match the income T-ara brings in. Talk about some nutty management there.
On the other hand - if this is a sub-unit thing, I wonder if the profit is divided in this. From what I recall, if what you indicate that CCM being desperate for cash is true, then chances are these 4 members will only get a tiny portion of the money made. Ditto on how CCM divides its' profits though Seoulbeats mentioned that T-ara's income goes by that members don't have to share the money earned from individual activities while profit earned from group activities go largely to the company (similar to SM's system) - but whether if sub-units are considered part of the former or latter rings a few questions.
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Eh...it's like Lovey Dovey and some other song among T-ara's hit records had a child together...
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The response among Queens'/Diadems completely reminds me of what Sones had with the SNSD's sub-unit TaeTiSeo last year in 2012 - and even amusingly, this subunit is starting up in almost exactly the same date TTS debuted.
As far as these 'True Queens' go, I'd say they need to calm their asses down.
I personally do have my concerns that Soyeon, Boram and Qri are possibly being shafted away as they're the older members of the group, coupled with KKS's seemingly stubborn insistence to lower the average age of the group (first with Hwayoung, then by adding Areum and Dani while the three older members are basically being ignored for the most part - Boram and Qri in particular). @Regius's points on this however, reassures it somewhat but honestly, I think Boram and Qri may leave the group earlier, since the contracts they signed are likely different to what the more popular members have. Technically, even with their popularity in Japan, they're not really much worth when it comes to individual popularity and are called the deadweights of the group for a reason.
And for the fans that claim it is an absolute must (or something along those lines) to support this sub-unit, I'd say the same thing as I would say to these 'True Queens''. Being a fan doesn't mean you have to support everything about the group's activities.
Both sides have their own motley group of elitists and quite frankly, I find them a bigger headache than the people who hate the group. That's the thing - internal damage is a heck lot more devastating than external damage is.
If anything, I'd more worried about the concept itself - Korea has its own hip-hop industry with a lot of well-regarded and respected hip hop artists like Epik High, Dynamic Duo, Supreme Team, Outsider, Tiger JK, Drunken Tiger etc. who are especially popular among Korea's youth population and more so than often, idol groups that try to pass off as anything in semblance to hip-hop (G-dragon is one particular example) are seen as wannabe, try-hard or fake...or all three of them (and rightfully so actually).
Coupled with T-ara's not-so good reputation, an attempt to pass off with this 'hip-hop' concept is going to get laughed at.
Edit: @Darky, I wouldn't quite believe the other 3 members got a break though. Anyone would know KKS considers having a 'break' is the definition of being 'lazy'. They'll probably be stuck with practicing dancing in the studio all day, doing individual stuff that doesn't really take much interest from the media or God knows what else he makes them do to keep them 'busy' (if memory calls, one of the members said even if they finish their schedules early, they always end up getting something to do to keep them occupied. Which is not good).
[SPAZZ] Your Favorite T-ara Moments Of 2013 So Far
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2013 went surprisingly fast (and I hope 14 goes even faster, so I can quickly go for basic training at the beginning of '2015).
Favorite moment would be that Qri, Boram and Soyeon got their own mini-gig - this was long, LONG overdue and I'm glad it's happened, even though it looked a bit cheap and half-assed much to my partial chagrin. Means they're also not in immediate danger of being slowly axed out of the group too, which is something quite a lot of people were afraid of when N4 was announced.
That aside, I'll also second a line in Shukuchi02's post - " Boram looked gorgeous" Quite honestly, I think Boram really is shining appearance-wise overall. It would be great if she would eat a bit more too since her legs still look rather concerning but for the whole part, I think she's really gotten a lot prettier since the past months