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There's pretty solid evidence already in favor of there being bullying - but there's far less for otherwise, although I would very much welcome if you could convince me that there was not. I honestly wish there wasn't any bullying going on. I was not basing my conclusion based on rumors and stupid gifs, but actual posts from people who know what they're talking about - unless you think Hwayoung, Hyoyoung, and all the instructors/PDs/people in the know are coming together to make one giant lie.
I'm sorry if you think that people who can accept there was bullying going on isn't uniting; but I think it's best if we can come to terms with it. Simply denying it isn't going to help anyone either, and if anything it's just saying that bullying is okay because us fans will support you anyways. T-ara isn't perfect, and they can still grow as people.
As for the group's survival...yes, that's something I'm worried about too. I'm not quite sure how they can get bounce back from this one. It seems like the only thing left is to just come out and apologize, but I doubt KKS will allow it.
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Do I advocate it? No.
Is it wrong? No. It's their property, they can do what they want with it. I mean, it's completely stupid because it helps nobody and you're wasting your money, but if you like \o/
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In a group setting, people can be a little relentless. We don't actually mean it...we're in company of people we like. But we don't want things to be all rainbows and unicorns, you know? And no they might not have realized it. Until someone pulls me aside and says "look...what you said really bothered me" I'll assume it was brushed off. But I don't make it a habit to bust anyone's balls either.
People have to realize THIS is how girls bully, behind backs and with indirect/passive/sarcastic jabs. Simply put they're catty. The vibe with passive insults is that the person feels he/she is higher than the victim to be insulting them directly. Unconsciously they want to avoid direct confrontation and have a safety net of "oh you're taking it the wrong way". Up to you to apply this mindset to the Twitter debacle, but this is just a general concept.
Aha, I know what you mean - when you're with a bunch of friends, your behavior tends to become a little more...relaxed? That really does make a lot of sense, but I still wonder if Hwayoung didn't make it obvious she didn't like the way she was being treated. I mean, two years is a long time to endure something quietly, I'm positive she would have snapped back at some point. I suppose you might not realize if you see a person, say something, and then brush it off after you part ways - but for someone you see nearly all the time? I think Hwa couldn't have been silent.
But yes, that is how I imagine the 'bullying' occurred - I will never believe that, say, BORAM laid a hand on HWAYOUNG. On the other hand, I'm not sure if that's me having a shred of optimism again, so idk.
Thank you for this post again, it's very thought provoking.
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Core Contents Media will take legal action over the false testimonies being posted online to protect Hwayoung
Stopped reading there. Cool story bro, I'm really happy for you and I'ma let you finish, but that is the biggest pile of shi-
On the other hand, most of these articles are indeed pretty stupid. It's like people just have way too much time on their hands and have to make up stories to make themselves feel better, because they know something we didn't.
- Grimlock, ♕ -, missyjudyx3 and 7 others
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People can say and imply negative things and actually mean it or not. Doesn't matter if the person didn't intend harm. But it's how the person receives it. If the person gets offended, regardless of intent or not...that's bullying.
I agree completely; a lot of people are of the belief that bullying can only be physical, like the rest of the members actually hitting Hwayoung - but saying negative things is just the same.
But I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you think T-ara might not have realized they were giving Hwayoung so much stress? That seems to make sense, and I'd obviously like to think the best of them; but over a span of two years, they didn't realize it?
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I actually made a post about this earlier, so here it is:
Objectively speaking, I really do think there was bullying going on - I can't say for sure if there was anything physical going on (and I would very much like to think there was none), but bullying doesn't have to be physical. Being ostracized for a long time, feeling alone and unwanted...I personally think that feeling's even worse. Being an outcast for two years is torturous, even if it was just being ignored, and this alone is enough to merit any complaining on Hwayoung's part.
I'm not going by those stupid gifs and whatnot, like Boram and the umbrella (like wtf is that). But if you seriously just LOOK at all the tweets and look at outside opinions, it becomes fairly obvious something was going on behind the scenes.
First of all, people are arguing that they seem friendly on variety shows. Well, guess what - it's a variety show. Under no circumstance would T-ara actually show that they're bullying Hwa, unless they really have less brains than a rock. The sheer fact that we can observe 6Ara being less than comfortable/flat out awkward with Hwayoung tells A LOT. If that's the way they are while acting, you can imagine when the camera's not going.
And if you look at the tweets. Okay, you can argue that Hwayoung was over-exaggerating, that she's being a drama queen. But guess what, it wasn't just her. Hyoyoung tweeted in support of her, rap instructors tweeted in support of her, a SBS PD tweeted in support of her. These people obviously know more about the situation than we do, and they're all rooting for Hwayoung.
On the other hand, we have Lord KKS telling us there was no bullying going on. Pardon me for assuming this, but none of you liked him before this. I was part of the rather large group saying he was a liar and a creep, and there was maybe one or two people who said otherwise. So why are you all suddenly believing him? It's absolute delusion and hypocrisy to start going with what the man is saying just because he's protecting your precious idols.
I mean, does he even make any sense? Why would CCM staff members complain about Hwayoung, when everybody else has nothing but praise? And for that matter, why would they complain about Hwayoung specifically when there're six other girls who I refuse to believe simply has so much better manners. I am a Jiyeon-stan, and even I will admit she has some attitude issues sometimes.
Furthermore, KKS changes his story so often he has little to no credibility. First, their accounts were hacked - then he started explaining it. Now, it's actually all Hwayoung's fault, and he begins mudslinging like an elementary student; what he's saying isn't logical. Hwayoung wasn't popular enough to start acting like a diva without immediately getting kicked out. Also of note is the famous 'throwing crutches' business. Try throwing crutches when you can't stand without them, it doesn't work.
That being said, I think the 'bullying' is true, though I wish it weren't. Still, I'm going to support T-ara and Hwayoung, and I hope others can do the same.
- Fengxian, MangoHyomin, aoikage and 5 others
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How kind Lord Kwangsoo is to compliment Hwayoung's talent now, after slinging mud her way with all those allegations before. Hell, he's still mentioning it now! How exactly does one throw crutches without falling first? She needed them to stand.
Kim Kwangsoo said, "After the decision was made yesterday, completely unrelated bullying issues as well as malicious, false and odd rumors were spreading by people. These malicious lies are all over the Internet and articles, and it's making it harder for Hwayoung and T-ara. I hope that Hwayoung will stop making comments because people take it to mean more than it should while fueling more false reports and creates more damage."
That's really all he wanted to say.
I also find it difficult to imagine that Hwayoung's parents 'understand' that their daughter was being bullied and got kicked out of the group, followed by KKS slandering her character, but I suppose money solves everything. KKS is releasing way more statements than Hwayoung...shows a lot about who's more concerned about damage control.
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Well obviously her position won't change; if CCM let Hyoyoung go as well, how would they get Hwayoung to come back? They still need Hwa to save their sorry asses...which is really sad. After kicking Hwa out and getting a ton of backlash, they're now shamelessly calling for her back to pacify fans.
Hyoyoung won't be treated well. The entertainment industry is never that kind; considering her sister's departure just made T-ara erupt into flames, Hyoyoung is in for some serious xxxx from everyone.
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I highly doubt any discord among the members was a 'recent' thing. You don't randomly begin to have issues two years after joining a group, the problem exists from the beginning and persists. It's far more likely that Hwayoung has, in fact, been 'bullied' to some extent all this time - otherwise, why would her tweets, and Hyoyoung and her supporter's tweets, all be so drastic?
We need to realize that our idols aren't perfect and stop lying to ourselves - things did happen behind the scenes.
Please don't mistake me as some sort of anti-fan, I'll always love this group, but some things are just the way they are. It's for the best that Hwayoung left, and the only thing I regret is that CCM managed to botch this whole thing so T-ara is practically finished.
Bullying is never okay, and bullying the bully is never okay, but refusing to admit that the bully was wrong is never okay either.
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let just say there is 100 t-ara supporters. if 10 hateful messages means that 10 people is not going to watch the drama, so meaning that 90 people still going to watch it. stop looking at haters because there are still lovers.just because there are 10 people who don't want eunjung to be in the drama, you will neglect the other 90?
South Korean netizens are...largely against T-ara and pro-Hwayoung. It'd probably be the other way around, with 90 people who say they're not watching and 10 people who will.
I don't think there's any 'jeopardy' at all, they're going to replace Eunjung sooner or later - viewer ratings are far more important than whatever they said before.
Luckily Soyeon and Hyomin already began filming I believe, but...
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That's...weird o_____O I've always been able to send to six; maybe you should take a screencap of it and then PM an admin about it.
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You should be able to message 6 at a time (1 person, and then 5 others n the 'Other Recipients'), but unfortunately that's the limit
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I personally like Hwayoung's voice the most for rapping, especially in DBD and Don't Leave; Eunjung is a close, close second (and I would have voted for her prior to the aforementioned two songs)...Hyomin, hehe
Bonus points to Hwa for turning Atlantis Princess into a rap ^^
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I don't even know why people are comparing Dani to BoA; it's completely different. Like people have mentioned, BoA debuted as a solo artist, and furthermore, she was actually TALENTED AND TRAINED enough to do it - Dani? I don't know about talent, but she sure as hell doesn't have the training.
And to some extent I think the dislike towards her is justified - Dani practically brought it on herself by accepting the offer to join T-ara; just because she's a kid doesn't mean I have to overlook the fact that she's completely ruining the group dynamics with her presence. Say she's young and doesn't understand the consequences if you'd like, but I think a 14-year-old should be cognizant enough to realize that she'll get haters.
It doesn't help that this debuting early crap just makes her look like even more of a whiny kid who wants fame. Sorry for being harsh, but =/
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At least I don't feel quite as awkward as with the 14-year-old...I'll reserve judgment for when I hear her sing lol. (Guys, please don't be okay with this just because you think she's cute...although she did look better in the other pics.)
If good singer --> Welcome!
If not as good as hyped --> LIES. KKS, NO. >.<
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Yeah that was pretty much my reaction as well to how easily people are accepting Areum after the sh*tstorm they were kicking up...no names but some people literally did a complete reversal, from the new members being unfair to "Areum is so pretty!!1!1" so fast it makes me more than a little upset =/
I mean really? At least be consistent. True, Dani is way, way too young but that doesn't make Areum completely okay in comparison. We don't even KNOW anything about her other than her looks, which I suspect is one of the main reasons people are okay -.-
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...Acute gastritis is caused by taking too much anti-inflammatory drugs, I believe? Too much aspirin/ibuprofen; I wonder why, KKS, maybe they're overworked and on too many meds?
/sarcasm
Okay, to be fair though, it could just be H. pylori bacteria. (As much as I would like the bacteria thing to be true, honestly it's probably the other theory that's more likely.
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LOL, Eunjung's reaction..."OHHHH!" And then she's standing up and leaning over to get a better look...not sure if Jiyeon's dad gave her a thumbs up, lmao
So touching T_T
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Thanks for my birthday present, KKS! So awesome that you'll be swapping members that day~
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Due to some personal circumstances, I left the group and then I decided to leave the company (CCM). I joined a new company to debut in another group later, but suddenly I got a call to re-join the company again.
Poor girl, escaped CCM's clutches only to fall back in...I wonder if I'm being a little cynical here, but joining a new company seems like it was a good decision; wonder why she went back to CCM =/
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Crap, when this happens I always end up trying to get all the individual ones...nooooooo (Ebay time!)
Does anyone else think they made Ji's eyeliner a little...odd, though? Qri's looks really nice ^^
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@Scatter - I did the same thing XD This song is good for inspiration, kekeke...wrote some seriously depressing stuff. Although I was watching the MV, cuz EJ crying just makes it even better lol
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1. Jiyeon/Eunjung (...tronbonbon...!)
3-7. Everyone Else (LOL)
Nah, but really, I like everyone...and I can't say that for many groups, there's usually someone who's annoying lol.
[POLL] Bullying - True or Not?
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Please don't worry about offending me haha, I'm perfectly okay with opposing views. I might want to be convinced deep down .___.
Actually, my Korean friends and I didn't think there was anything bullying about those tweets when we first read it, I was even trying to tell people this whole thing would blow over the first day. Only later did I connect it back, so I'll concede that point; I'm still not certain about those to be honest.
And I understand what you mean about them being stressed then, but I sincerely believe the bullying was something that occured over a long time - probably beginning when Hwayoung first joined T-ara. As even you say, it's very likely just based on the circumstances. Grimlock's actually been quite convincing that maybe T-ara didn't even realize they were stressing Hwayoung out by ignoring her/making some snide comments or whatever, but you have to admit it is HIGHLY likely that it happened.
Again, yes, maybe Hwa's tweet was a little irresponsible - but at the same time, if she was feeling bullied, I can understand why she'd lash out. I don't think it was anything premeditated, like she was scheming to ruin T-ara. Much more likely, she simply had a moment of anger and acted instinctively.
Yeah, it's normal that T-ara wouldn't be quite comfortable with Hwa at first. BUT, for two years? Even if I can accept that they never quite managed to accept her, it's not acceptable, to me, that they managed to isolate her enough to provoke this. If, for instance, they didn't accept her, they could still at least manage to be friendly. I know I deal with a lot of people I don't like at times, but I still manage to be amicable. If the rest of T-ara had managed at least that, I highly doubt Hwayoung would have been so unhappy.
I completely agree with your last two paragraphs.
Thank you for that post too, I liked hearing an opposite viewpoint. Most people who are voting "no" aren't responding, lol.