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yes kks is known for doing crazy things but replacing an existing member with someone else would be devastating to t-ara...
t-ara will lose a lot of fans i.e. less money for kks...i think he at least knows this...i hope
Of course it's crazy, stupid and ridiculous - hell, even enough to warrant a visit to the mental hospital.
But frankly, KKS doesn't care about fans so long as he gets money out of both T-ara and their fans as well as beating SM Entertainment by replacing SNSD as the top national girl idol group. If you have a big and sick ego like KKS, rationality and logic are almost completely non-existent. There's a reason why some historians point out that Hitler himself was one of the important factors to Germany's defeat in World War 2 - it was his ego.
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i don't think there will be any member change...that's just stupid...they are at the height of their career
i can understand member change in the beginning of their career but right now is just stupid
Well, CCM's level of management, as well as KKS himself, aren't exactly what you can call great.
In fact, they're among the worst agencies in business - before T-ara debuted, they had SG Wannabe, SeeYa and Lee Hyori, all of whom left CCM after working for it for just a few years. And just look at their epic failure with Co-Ed. With an egoistic parasite like Kim Kwang Su around, anything bad is bound to happen. Why? Because he only cares about himself.
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KKS definitely sees this as a numbers game, no doubt. In the press they announced that SNSD has made 70B won (around $62MM) from 2009 through 2011/Q3. I'm sure T-ara is nowhere near that. But if KKS really aspires to get up to that level, profitably, he's probably thinking that he needs to do something more radical. I think he's better off focusing on the current line up and concentrating his efforts on marketing, the quality of music production, etc., rather than changing the line-up. If you alienate the current fan base, then he's going to have to 1) win back the number of fans that he's lost, which basically will cost him marketing dollars, and 2) he has to spend extra marketing dollars to increase the fan base. First rule of business growth: keep the business you currently have. Just reading the comments here, they really run the risk of losing fans--and it's the fan that provides revenue to an idol group.
Fully agree with you there.
Putting a major change in the members will definitely piss off the tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of fans, whom are also the major source of income for both T-ara and CCM itself. This move is also bound to heavily affect the second album and its promotions scheduled for summer, and quite possibly, the Japanese album in June as well.
By the way, could you provide any source that SNSD made 70 billion won from 2009 to 2011? For some reason, the figure seems a bit low, considering they made at least $17 million (18 billion won) in their Arena Tour in Japan in 2011 alone.
Frankly, even if he puts more effort on marketing, quality of music production and among other things, it's still not going to be able to enough to overtake SNSD in profit, especially considering that SM has got more money, influence and connections (AND is very good at business and promoting) than CCM by a massive margin. If anything, it's only going to provoke SM to go even further.
Not to mention a large portion of the money CCM squeezes has to go to maintaining its own TV channel - which is something that the Big Three do not have or need to worry about.
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To Mongrolian and FreakyFlyBri
Yes, both of you raise very, very valid and strong points.
To sum it up simply, T-ara is working under a ruthless dictator whose management and business skills are incompetent at best and sub-human at worst. If he's been active in the entertainment industry for 30 years, that means he's been in it since he was like 20 or so - and probably also implies he most likely never got to properly study business after graduating high school. Which also goes to say, Lee Soo Man of SM and JYP both have very respectable educational background in comparison.
I think we can all agree that KKS's strategies can work in the short term (2 years at the most, as seen with T-ara) but the man clearly has no idea how to proceed in the long run - and that's something that a lot of businessmen will laugh and mock at him about. If anything, he's short-sighted like Hitler, who clearly did not prepare Germany for a long and attritional conflict no matter how much improvising was done.
It's also more bumbling that CCM thinks it can both run its idols successfully while also maintaining its own broadcasting channel (which costs a HUGE amount of money). CCM obviously is not as financially well off as the Big Three and maybe even Cube. KKS is biting off more than he could chew - and this will be detrimental later this year at the earliest. Suffice to say, the man's a complete clown - and still my dad continues to mock him (and rightfully so) when we all eat dinner.
Regarding Boram, I still have some doubts whether if she'll get the boot but as already mentioned by FlyBri, her family's position and influence in the entertainment industry isn't something to be underestimated for sure. I don't know about her family's relations with the other members of T-ara but if a lawsuit does occur, I believe her father would undoubtedly intervene and take their side. In fact, Mr. J is already likely going to pay KKS a visit and throw a tantrum anytime soon, if not already.
Yes, the Korean philosophy does dictate hard work dictates character but as a Korean myself, there clearly are boundaries even in that ideology. There's a reason why students get long summer and winter breaks (aside from the weather). T-ara however, as said by others, has been overworked since 2009. How they actually managed to bottle up all that anger, sadness and other emotions inside for so long still continues to puzzle and shock me, as well as respecting them even more. Even if there are members whose talents are lacking, or at least untapped, they should at least be given the opportunity to appear in more variety shows or dramas on their own - SM did that just fine with its more unrecognized members of SNSD and Super Junior.
Ditto, I never thought KKS had some sort of infatuation for Qri though - nor did I really recognize that. Never really figured it out until just now - personally, the mole on her nose seems a bit of a letdown but that's as much I have to say about Qri's physical appearances. Though considering she's also a internet ulzzang (or used to be), I guess there's a point. I heard she was apparently 'introduced' to KKS prior to debut and was the last member added before Hwa Young, which seems a bit fishy for me - the word 'introduce' has a lot of meanings, that's for sure.
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But she could be considered lazy.
If Boram is considered lazy, then I should be considered a mindless zombie.
Virtually all the members, Boram and Qri included, get only 2-3 hours of sleep a day on average, minus whatever plane flights they have. Talent-wise she may not be as active as the Big Four but regardless, the fact she's also dragged out like that still goes to show she's put her own effort in holding out like that.
From your logic, I might as well say that support troops (comms, logistics etc.) in a military unit are considered lazy simply because the frontline combat units do most of the dirty work.
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I think if anyone gets replaced, it's boram.
I noticed she barely bothers to dance especially when I was watching Lovey Dovey during music bank in paris.
This is no surprise since other members have shown to perform poorly during music performance as early as the Roly Poly promotions. Besides, Boram sure as hell ain't prideful on stage.
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Agree!
And they definitely can't (and won't, no matter what) remove Jiyeon. She's one of the most successful female idols in K-Pop right now, and she is the 'face' of T-ara as you say.
Jiyeon, Eunjung, and Hyomin are all safe.
Hwayoung is also safe I think because everybody just finally got used to her and now people are loving her. She showed her talent in We Were In Love, got that solo dance moment in Lovey-Dovey, and is GORGEOUS now that she has short hair. She's also young, so she has that on her side. CCM won't axe her.
Soyeon is the voice of T-ara so she;'ll most likely stay, plus her popularity has risen. Only thing going against her is she's older, but I personally like that T-ara has older members so I want her to stay and I'm sure she will.
Qri and Boram are definites to go IF cuts are made, as we have all established. Their age, lack of popularity compared to other members, and minimal talent (Boram actually does have talent, but it's never been used) make that a sure thing.
Anyway, Eunjung deserves a solo venture in my opinion since she is the most well-rounded member in T-ara when it comes to vocals, popularity, beauty, rapping, dancing, and acting. She is the total package and she's being wasted in terms of solo potential (much like Jiyoon in 4minute).
Yes, we can both agree that Ji Yeon, Hyomin and Eun Jung are the least likely to get the sack. Given that they've done more solo work than any of the other members, they can't be replaced easily - not to mention all three of them are T-ara's most recognizable members with So Yeon closely making her way up.
Although I'll have to disagree that So Yeon, Boram and Qri's age are important factors. MBLAQ's Seung Ho is the same age as So Yeon (turning 25 this year) and 2NE1's Dara and Bom are both turning 28 this year. After School's Jung Ah and Ka Hee are also older as well, 28 and 31, respectively. Hell, even some of SuJu's members are also older than Boram, Qri and So Yeon or at least at the same age.
Lack of popularity and minimal talent are the most likely (if not, only) factors for those getting the boot. But then again, KKS's intelligence and logic is more comparable with that of a bird than a human.
While Boram and Qri are the most likely candidates of being kicked, there are things to put into consideration. I don't know about Qri but Boram is likely going to be a harder nut to crack - even from T-ara's earlier years, she was clearly very recognizable and stood out quite a bit in appearance, not to mention her parents and even grandparents were celebrities themselves - and are likely very well-connected. Her dad especially, may put up resistance against KKS if Boram refuses to be kicked out. Talent-wise, I'm not sure exactly what Boram can offer but it's clearly CCM's fault for not expanding them, yet alone even caring about it. I'd dare say that even though Boram isn't as popular or heavily talented, her appearance alone has played an important part in representing T-ara on stage and screen.
i've seen a lot of ideas here..
but for the best..just keep the way they are now..
changes in concept is not new to t-ara..
now, moving on to the other topic..is it just me or that the member that kks mentioned as lazy & prideful is soyeon..
that girl bravely stated their condition on national tv..
being the leader, yes i understand but idw her to end up like nam gyu ri who was apparently seeya's leader..
One correction to your post there - So Yeon is far, FAR from being lazy.
The only real lazy douchebag is KKS himself.
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Jiyeon isn't a very good singer anyway, so who cares if she gets less lines. Eunjung is the one who needs more lines coz she's so talented.
But anyway, I don't want Davichi members added. They have a different style of music to T-ara. T-ara are all about crazy concepts and bubblegum catchy songs, and Davichi are more about vocals and adult contemporary style.
It would change T-ara too much, and also Davichi fans would be upset to see those two amazing vocalists having their voices wasted on songs like Lovey-Dovey.
Agreed that Ji Yeon isn't a very good singer (unlike many of the Ji Yeon stans) but still, one cannot deny that her position in T-ara is regarded as crucial. You're absolutely correct that Eun Jung does need more lines - come to think of it, most of T-ara's title tracks since 2010 haven't really made use of whatever talent she had to offer.
Glad you agree with me that adding Davichi in with T-ara is a bad idea. Even if they are added, it gives less lines for So Yeon and Hyomin and lowers their position, as I've mentioned. Hell for all we know, Kang Min Kyung might even replace Ji Yeon as T-ara's face if such a scenario occurred.
Although collaborations between the two groups every once in a while is good to see (such as We Were in Love) and acceptable, anything beyond that point is simply just pushing it.
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I'm surprised people are saying that AKB48's style concept is now being followed by T-ara.
But seriously, AKB48 has 57 members as of February this year. That's excluding the trainees planned to replace anyone that's going to be dropped. T-ara in comparison has only 7 members and if CCM increases the numbers, it's going to receive a lot of flak for copying SNSD and in effect, will very likely provoke SM and cause a major fan war with the Sones - and increase the number of haters/antis. The T-ara members are simply not as expendable as AKB48's members. It's like saying the US Air Force will switch its fleet of F-15s for thousands of anti-air defense systems.
I can't begin to imagine how it's going to affect So Yeon's relationship with the SNSD members, considering they were trainees before SNSD itself debuted in 2007.
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This is more like AKB48, unless the agency sees them putting a lot of heart into the game they won't get a spot to shine. In AKB's case its normal since its the whole concept of the group, they can probably survive having a lot of fans without their music but T-ara??? Bullshark. Its just crazy talk, if you want this kind of competition get Coed back to your company and let T-ara, 5dolls, Speed, and Pin-up Girls do it! There's already a dirty friendly competition between these 7 members, Eunjung and Hyomin always gets the glory while Boram and Qri always ends up getting a little bit or nothing. Its not they are lazy or what judgmental Kpop fans would say "useless", I would know that these girls work hard to stay in this group.... No wonder Boram is so depressed is she that small that you can't see her worth?
Even so, it's still CCM's fault for not trying to get Boram and Qri into the spotlight fairly in the first place. Besides, CCM's level of management was never really impressive to begin with - I'd even say their management skills are downright sloppy and subject to plenty of jokes by comedians on stage.
However, I don't think any of the members are intentionally trying to compete with eachother unless the members themselves are selfish scumbags who are cold and merciless like KKS himself - and that's unlikely at best. In Korea, it's a common mentality for people in the same small group to trust and stick with each other no matter what hardship comes by - this is something that occurs especially since the age of high school, where one is expected to meet his/her life-time friends there. Idol groups also develop a similar thing - especially if they've stuck together for years. I cannot say for DBSK, but the members of 2PM still think of Jay Park as a fellow member (they simply don't throw it around in public), SuJu still thinks of Han Geng as a fellow member and hell, So Yeon still has good relations with the SNSD members because she trained with them years back.
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For me, it's So Yeon.
Other than being biased (or close to it anyway), two girls I've loved in my past were named So Yeong - and to be frank, the most kindest I've ever known personally (even though they grew to hate me months after). It may not be the exact same name, but it's pretty damn close.
The name is So Yeon and So Yeong are kind of like lucky charms and taboo simultaneously. But they leave good memories inside.
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That is true. But having healthy & happy employees will lead to better productivity = potential longer shelf life as apposed to working them to the bone leading to miserable and completely burn out employees = shorter than expected shelf life.
That is why I said in the other thread, that for someone with 30 years of experience, KKS sure has dreadful man-management skills. He doesn't treat the girls as human beings.
He is basically a tyrant.I'm assuming the girls are back from their so-called break now. I wonder how they are taking the news.
Being an employee of a major company, I agree with you - healthy and happy employees leads to better productivity in most, if not all levels.
I'd also like to note that KKS's 30 years of experience is all a pretty moot point and nothing more than just an excuse to get away with what he does - KKS himself was never an entertainer unlike the founders of the Big Three (YG, JYP and SM). The guy clearly has very little to no idea about what celebrities think about inside their heads and how their mentality works, yet alone even gives a damn. This is the one of the biggest gaps (if not, THE biggest) between him and the Big Three, whom he is obviously desperate to win against (or one of them) one way or another - SM is probably his target since SNSD is currently the top national idol girl group in Korea.
YG, JYP and SM all at least know how the mentality of their idols works and they know when to give appropriate time to rest and refit (mostly anyway since cases like DBSK, Jay Park etc. are an exception). They're more than just your typical businessman looking for profit. Far more. They all went through their youthful years as famous celebrities themselves - Kim Kwang Su clearly has not. T-ara's only going to hurt themselves a lot more if they continue to stay under that piece of sh*t - they need a CEO who's had first hand experience as a celebrity him/herself.
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I've been following the group since they ever debuted but was never really a fan until Cry Cry came about.
Good Person and Lies were great to listen to - up to the point I listened to them whenever I went for a walk after eating dinner. When TTL came out, I thought "hey, now this is just damn good!". I thought they had real major potential until Bo Peep Bo Peep came out - it was kinda disappointing for my taste, honestly. Add in the fact that they were even embarassed of the costumes, I sort of thought their management wasn't exactly tip top shape.
Their songs for 2010 were meh or so-so. Like the First Time and I Go Crazy Because Of You never really got my attention and I ignored them for the most part. Why Are You Being Like This was fairly alright, not addicting, but still decent - why? I don't know myself. When So Yeon's OST for Death Bell 2 came, I instantly fell in love with that song - and still listen to it to this day. I'll even go as far as rating it as one of her best. 2010 was a hard year for me when it came to love so that could be a possible factor.
YaYaYa...completely blew it for me. I thought "WTF did CCM do to these girls?"
The song was hardly anything like their previous title tracks and wasn't even worth downloading. I pretty much stopped caring about T-ara after that god-awful song. Ma Boo and I'm Okay managed barely kept me away from becoming a downright hater of them lol.
When Roly Poly came about, I still had bad memories of YaYaYa and ignored until at least a month after it was released - that is, until my mom said that T-ara is a 'bright' and 'alright' group - which is rare for her to say as she's always critical of idol groups. So I said "Mom, just what makes you think like that? Their last title track was sh!t" - to which she said that Roly Poly reminded her of her days back in college (the 1980s) and she analyzed the song to be homage to the South Koreans who lived out their youth back in that era. That was when I regained some of the long-lost respect I had for T-ara.
Cry Cry stepped up that level of respect and admiration by a wide margin - even far beyond what I had for them in 2009. Lovey Dovey took it up a further little more. However, after hearing news that the girls hadn't had a single vacation since debut and not a single day of rest since last summer, I figured something was horribly wrong with their management. When more news came that they'll be further promoting in Japan despite being terribly overworked, that's when I just got downright sick of CCM and more forwardly, Kim Kwang Su. Did some further research - boy oh boy, I finally realized T-ara had been under the thumb of a ruthless, delusional and greedy slave owner for far too long and desperately need to change agencies if they're to go higher and maintain a more balanced lifestyle simultaneously.
Overall, they've been going up and down in my opinion till now.
With the recent news that they're having a major member and image concept change very soon, I'm afraid to say that they're headed down a completely wrong path. It's not the members I blame, but their agency and CEO that are taking them to the wrong path - one that is going to lead to some major consequences and backfire not only from just fans and the public, but also the T-ara members themselves.
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KKS sure appears to be a real greedy SOB. I guess, on one hand, I understand the business side of things. Figure that the idol business has a "shelf life", and so you have to squeeze everything you can out of what you have for as long as you can. That would explain having the girls work around the clock until they burn out and can't perform anymore, or until their fans go away. That said, it's just cruel to treat the girls like dogs on a leash. I hope the girls are making pretty good money. If it were in the US, a performer getting as much publicity as what SNSD and these other idol groups are getting would be making millions. But somehow, i have a feeling that the only one making milions is probably KKS. I'm sure the girls aren't starving--but I don't think they're making what they deserve.
You're correct that the idol business has a 'shelf life' indeed - but even so, it was CCM's damn fault for not trying to get the more lacking T-ara members (Qri, Boram and possibly even Hwa Young) reach their maximum potential or promoting them as heavily. Some of SNSD's members were on the same position as Qri and Boram in terms of talent but gradually over time, SM made the effort in promoting them, giving them actual lines and parts in songs and the such - and SNSD doesn't face the danger of seeing any members being given the sack.
I agree with you that the girls have probably made quite a lot of money but depending on the contract, they would only get betwen 5 to 15% of the profit they earn, maybe even less. The money they make is probably enough to keep them away from starving (but hey, they probably don't even get regular meals due to the schedule) and buying new clothes but definitely not enough to say, buy a new car or house. This may be recognizable by their dorms - at best, their dorm is pretty much average and if one may say, even somewhat small for 7 people to move around freely and all. Even SM provides better accomodation despite having larger groups. Hell, even my aunt, her husband and two children live at a much wider apartment than T-ara does and her husband's income is nowhere near what T-ara earns each year.
It's understandable a portion of the profit they earn does have to go the company though - CCM needs money to pay other employees and contractors (receptionists, managers, trainers, composers etc.) while also maintaining infrastructure, living costs of the idols, marketing and the such. Though obviously, as you say, KKS is the one who takes a disproportionate amount - money he doesn't deserve.
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I think mostly it's a threat to the members. New leader Soyeon stood up on that show (with Boram and Hyomin) and called him out, and I'm pretty sure they spoke up in-house too, and then everything since...
He'll dangle the threat of membership changes to bully Soyeon and the rest into compliance. Who knows he might be spiteful enough to remove her for what he seems to think is her ill discipline. But more likely, he's threatening the people closest to her, the other members, the members with the least stable positions on the roster. Get them to back down by threatening the careers of their co-members. That's also probably why the relatively long span of two or three weeks till the official announcement is made, he wants them to stew a little. A fear tactic, I guess, I can't remember what they call it.
At this point, after this great breach of labor relations, I'd prefer for them to cut ties with his company, but making a transition will likely be pretty difficult too. It depends on how firm their mental fortitude is. Mr. Kim looks pretty bad, sure, but I'm pretty sure other CEOs would at least think twice about taking on a group who broke from their former company over a labor dispute. And how would another company treat the line-up, too? Mr. Kim can certainly argue that another company would demand member changes anyway, and then make the counter-offer that if they fall in line, he'll keep the line-up as it is. So I hope the members can stand up for themselves, whatever they decide to do. Be strong, kids!
I think it's his appetite for authority more than anything - he seems to be either blind or indifferent to the effect his announcements could make on T-ara's viability in the future. Or he just thinks he can eat the difference. But even if he doesn't make any drastic changes, he's built up a lot of negative press with all this (at least among the fan community), and I'm pretty sure any onlookers with a conscience will have serious misgivings about supporting a tyrant mistreating T-ara, even if just on principle. Maybe enough people can be brought back into the fold - supporting T-ara no matter what (or just choosing to buy albums or endorsements), even with the straight-up unjust behavior of their handlers - to satisfy the bookkeepers for a while, but how long will the members accept his ultimatums? How long 'till they say enough is enough? Now that they've seen how he responds to even their simple demands for humane treatment, will they just continue to swallow their pride and accept his conditions, knowing he's just not gonna respect them as professionals or as human beings? Even if they do knuckle under and accept his terms now, how long can they keep up with the work rate he demands, keep silent as to their future demands from the company and still be able to perform to an acceptable level? Good luck out there.
You make a very good point that it's possibly a fear tactic to keep the members 100% compliant to his own ass.
But even then, having done constant work for 3 years with no break till recently, I doubt T-ara's going to stay compliant for long. As said by G-Dragon of Big Bang, idols get the tendency to rebel against their agencies at their third year since debut - Big Bang did almost exactly that when they planned on running away from YG - result? YG eventually heard about this and as compensation, gave them a 2-month break. T-ara's members since last year have suffered from a series of injuries, fainting and looking like zombies on screen (simply, dead tired). Regardless, KKS's further tightening group is bound to make the girls more discontent and rebellious.
However, I doubt other agencies would make second thoughts about taking T-ara in if they leave CCM - unless the CEOs of the other agencies are no better or even worse than KKS himself (and frankly, KKS is probably subject to a lot of jokes by the Big Three). Personally, the guy sometimes even makes SM look like saints.
One of Korea's oldest groups, Shinhwa also managed to transfer agencies quite safe and sound with no loss of members and even name, even though it was SM that was its opposition at the court. If SM can't win lawsuits filed by its own idols, neither will CCM. Kara's DSP also took a major blow when three of the members filed a lawsuit against it - and it took close to a full year for the whole issue to be settled and resolved. SM with DBSK also lost its reputation very much, not to mention the court sided with JYJ - hell, SM's excuses and claims on the reasons why JYJ filed a lawsuit against them were downright laughable.
The last thing agencies would want is their own idols rebelling and filing a lawsuit against them - because chances are they're very likely to lose. There's a reason why YG gave Big Bang a 2 month break rather than using intimidation and threats as KKS is seemingly using currently. What KKS is doing is hardly any different to what mafia bosses do, minus using physical violence.
Needless to say, the clock is already ticking and things are likely to get real ugly later this year. With the second album and solo concert scheduled for summer, the timing is also very critical.
- Kyon-Z, Kuraudo and dark-pocky-monster
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This is slavery...I think they should renegotiate their contracts to include x-weeks of paid time-off. Luckily these girls are young and maybe can handle their hectic schedule. But they'll grow very quickly, I think.
Problem is Kim Kwang Su will probably oppose any attempt in renegotiating with them regarding the contracts. It's more than just slavery - it's abuse. The man literally is a son of the devil. He's not going to give them anything more until T-ara somehow replaces SNSD as the top national girl idol group in Korea - which is a delusional and impossible goal at the least (hell, SM's higher ups are probably going to laugh at him for trying to do so).
Now, the girls may be young at this stage but having to go work 3 years without a single break is simply overboard - even the South Korean military treats its recruits better than that and their training regime is seen as incredibly rigorous by even international standards. There's a limit to how long one can tolerate pain.
The only thing the girls can do to get a longer break is to leave CCM through a lawsuit or if Kim Kwang Su somehow miraculously resigns or pops his clogs and drops dead.
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I don't want them to change, but over the last six months Boram has looked out of place in their TV appearances, and she hasn't had much to do in the videos or choreography. I wouldn't be surprised if she went.
I kind of think Jiyeon unbalances the group. She's great, but the camera is on her way too much of the time... whatever change happens they need to stop doing this.
I'm wondering if they'll drop one member and add Lee Hae-Ri and Kang Min-Kyung from Davichi. It would give T-ara much more vocal capability.
I prefer smaller groups to bigger groups. As the number of members increases it's more difficult for each personality to shine. I think they'd be better as a 5 or 6 piece than 8 or 9.
You have a point there about Boram - but then again, whose fault is it that she's been looking out of place in the past six months? CCM didn't bother improving anything about her at all. That's what can be called as sloppy and incompetent management - and CCM has quite a record for that.
Regarding Ji Yeon, that is quite true as well - but then again, being the 'face' of T-ara, that's no surprise at all. But given she's perhaps the most overworked member, it would be nice to cut her some slack.
Though adding in one of the Davichi members is unreal - it would give T-ara more vocal capability for sure - but it would also pretty much bring a huge lot of flak from Davichi fans and to a degree, the general public. Kang Min-Kyung and Lee Hae-Ri would both no doubt replace So Yeon and Hyomin as main and lead vocalists as the latter two are pushed to sub-vocals while Ji Yeon well..would be put down even further.
Now, if smaller groups are more preferable to you, that's understandable. But do note that all it takes is just some careful and good promotion - SM was able to do that just fine with SNSD and SuJu. CCM however, is inept at it - especially with a nutcase like KKS.
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KKS has loose screw in his brains or is he trying to get afew 'pacemakers'?!!
One moment: Fanclub, concert, holidays.
Next thing u know: Change of members, addition of members dis and that.
KKS!! If u are not blind, i duno wad are you? SNSD has atleast 10 days off a month after their activities YOUR GIRLS T-ARA DOESNT REST like SNSD... if they have no group activity for sure there is individual activity.. Lazy? If that's call lazy, than wonder wads his definition for 'hardworking'
Hmmm, could you provide any solid information that SNSD gets at least 10 days off a month? Just curious since I never heard anything about that.
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Absolutely agree with you.Putting aside my bias,your expectation seems correct.Although Jiyeon is busy filming her dramas (and doesn't has enough rest),I highly doubt she'll leave.She's the most popular members and the visual of the group.
But I also think the Big 4 looks pretty safe (especially Soyeon.Considering she's the new leader,the main vocalist and official spokesperson).To be honest,almost 40-60 % of T-ara's fans are The Big 4,including me.Removing any of The Big 4,and the impact will be immediate,NATION WIDE.However,I agree with some saying that the vocalist of a group is easily replaced.But,I don't like that idea.It's like listening to a new group's song!
On the other hand,the other 3 do seems shaky.I still can't accept the fact that the CEO added Hwayoung just the reduce the age average of the group.WTH?If she's kick out,I pity her.She's is consider new to the group.So,seeing him wanna reduce the age average,there's no surprised he'll kick out the 2 oldest unnies for his own sake!He's greedy,selfish and a cuckoo.Talking trash to his own members,is..........rubbish.
Please,stop thinking nut,Mr CEO.I'm just getting to distinguish their voice in a song,and now you're trying to make them in to SNSD-alike?I have to admit,I am a SONE too.But changing them into 9 membersSeriously,my heart is about to explode reading the news,and I mean it literally.
For T-ara, there's also the possibility that the surviving members will have a frosty relationship with the new replacements - the last thing an idol group needs is the members fighting amongst themselves. Such a decision is likely to hit So Yeon the most, as her position as T-ara's leader.
However, I disagree that a vocalist can be replaced easily - CCM's roster list isn't as large as most other agencies and hence, probably has less trainees to choose from.
The bigger picture is that KKS is definitely hellbent on trying to compete with SM by making a group similar to SNSD. It will receive a huge lot of flak from the SONEs and even from SM itself. Lee Soo Man and the rest of SM's higher ups are probably not very happy with KKS's decision either. In short, KKS's goal is to get T-ara to replace SNSD as Korea's top national idol girl group as soon as possible - and that is a delusional and impossible goal, to say the least. There's a reason why T-ara had 3 comebacks since last summer. But it's simply not going to work as SM has the money, influence and connections to expand anywhere it wants - CCM doesn't. But Kim Kwang Su doesn't seem to realize that.
With Co-Ed pretty much non-existent while other famous artists in the past like SeeYa, SG Wannabe and Lee Hyori having disbanded or left CCM, I have a feeling T-ara may be the next to follow. Neither of those three worked for CCM for long at all.
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You're right, but boram's real issue is that she's older. I mean she's near 30, thats a bit too old for this kind of girl group. But I think eunjung, soyeon, jiyeon and hyomin are almost definitely safe due to their importance in the group activities especially singing parts, but then again, vocalists/rappers can easily be replaced. Hwayoung is quite unsafe as well due to the fact that she hasn't yet properly toned her vocal abilities, she only gets to sing those weird recycled lines in their songs that seem to not even fit into the overall song. her dancing is considerably good though, and moderate rapping skills and young age may save her but who knows. KKS seems to be an irrational thinker, since his plans to increase group productitivty can be seen and predicted to be counterproductive even before implementation. But yah, only thing is the bear with it and wait for Apr 7, and hopefully this is either a prank, an ambition, or they just add and not replace.
Even though Boram is turning 26 this year, do note that 2NE1's Dara and Bom are even older - and there's no sign of them being dropped off forcibly by YG. Two of After School's members, Ka Hee and Jung Ah are 31 and 28, respectively - and they're definitely not even close to being kicked out.
Given that CCM's roster list is fairly small and definitely likely has a lot less potential trainees than agencies like SM, YG, JYP, Cube etc., getting a vocalist to replace either So Yeon, Hyomin or Eun Jung isn't going to be a very easy job with such time constraints and competition with bigger agencies (not to mention individual singers themselves probably won't risk their own health and free lifestyle by working for a crackpot whose intelligence and ethics is very questionable at best).
KKS is a poor and inept businessman - that's as far as it goes. 30 years of experience doesn't really help since he only became CEO from the 21st century and beyond. The 1980s ain't the same as now, for sure. Hell, his decisions are enough to make all of my dad's business friends laugh, joke and mock about him.
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I don't think any member is lazy.
It just the their recent interview asking for vacation pissed KKS off.
Remember what he said about Kara when they have a problem with DSP?
I really think KKS true intention is to keep the member obey his command.
He is so pissed off when ever the singer starting to disobey
Damn that old man
You have quite a point there - but truthfully, not giving your employees even a single vacation for several years is something that's not even legal, as far as I'm concerned. I'm no expert in labor laws in Korea, but working like that is just complete slavery. I can imagine that So Yeon is particularly feeling bad about the whole issue here - she was the one who had the guts to even say publicly that T-ara hadn't had a single vacation till now and that was only 2 months ago. God knows what T-ara has to compensate in return desperately to ensure they get a proper vacation and no change in members. It's truly frightening.
KKS's real intentions in the short term may be to keep the members obeying him 24/7 but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that he's hellbent on trying to beat SM with its all-famous group SNSD, the current top national girl group of Korea. There's a reason why T-ara had 3 comebacks since last year - and it ain't because the girls wanted to overstretch themselves.
I can't be sure about SM's CEO, but clearly, KKS is living in a wholly different generation - JYP and YG are headed by guys who are barely in their late 30s to early 40s and were entertainers themselves in their youth - KKS, however, was never one himself.
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lol! Here we go again KKS
i don't think he's planning to remove any members, try to look it in a business way, removing any member
would surely decrease their fan base and would probably affect their marketings as well.
On the other hand, adding a new member would somewhat be awkward at first but im pretty sure the
fans would get used to it , try checking out the fans reaction when Hwayoung first joined, i bet its the same. XD
And it took over a year for the majority of the fans to get used to Hwa Young - do you really think that T-ara
needs another member in this case? The damage wasn't certainly life-threatening but it certainly as hell didn't
receive very good feedback.
Only this time, increasing the number of members is going to make T-ara into a CCM version of Girls Generation.
This is something that will spark a major fan war with the Sones - and even quite possibly, provoke SM Entertainment
as well as affecting the members themselves to a level far deeper than what Hwa Young caused. KKS is more or less
hellbent on making war against SM for whatever personal beef he has against it, despite the fact CCM is never, EVER
going to match SM in terms of anything.
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I hope they're just change music style and concept not member
and I hope kim gwangsoo just trying to discipline the T-ara member
if CCM change the member should I go to Korea and protest in front of CCM building?
I don't see why the members would need to be disciplined unless they committed a serious crime like murder, larcency, drugs or any of that. They're the ones who did all the hard work and this is how he repays them for all of it.
Protesting ain't gonna work - you should just set fire on his house or office. THAT will wake him up.
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As much as I support the petition, ultimately, it's the Korean fans who can really bring in the big guns - after all, T-ara's main source of popularity is in Korea.
Now, if a major riot breaks out with CCM's headquarters torn, looted and vandalized, I'll be happy dancing around in joy.
It's possible that T-ara may even file a lawsuit at some point this year, just like KARA and DBSK did years back - and definitely, DSP and even SM (one of the Big 3) suffered a massive drop in image and reputation in the public's eyes. Hell, SM - with all its money, influence, connections and the well-known Lee Soo Man lost since the court took DBSK's side.
Right now, it's either the Korean fans of T-ara or T-ara itself that can truly put a stop to that madman.
[12.03.15] T-ara to become 7~9 members, including replacing members
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I'd rather them leave CCM completely and sign with a new agency with a new start. CCM's business strategies are only effective in the short term. Long term-wise, they're a walking disaster.
As we all may know, Co-Ed is pretty much non-existent and adding Qri and Boram isn't going to put much effect into it. So Yeon into Davichi may also bring up a quite a bit of flak from the latter's fans, not to mention she'd be overshadowed by Kang Min Kyung and Lee Haeri by a considerable margin in both talent and image.
The current members are simply just not very replaceable - they may have been back in 2009 and 2010 since they weren't highly popular at that time. Hell, I don't see SM attempting to transfer SNSD members into f(x) or SuJu members into DBSK. Or YG trying to put Gummy into 2NE1 or JYP putting So Hee with Miss A.